Weight Comparison

Model Weight (grams) Screen Size
LG Gram Pro 16 (2026) 1,199 16-inch
MacBook Air 15 (M4/M3) 1,510 15-inch
MacBook Pro 14 (M5/M3) 1,550-1,600 14-inch
MacBook Pro 16 (M3+) 2,140-2,200 16-inch

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[–] 23 points 10 months ago (6 children)

But... Do we need laptops any lighter than this? Like, I'm not moving around my 13 inch Macbook and thinking: "oh god this is a beast". My biggest issue with laptops now days is battery life and performance, both of which my Macbook meets perfectly. Not that I like the OS or the company tbh, especially as a FOSS enthusiast.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 10 months ago

    Weight is definitely old of those things that you only notice when you notice but it's still just a nice to have rather that critical feature. Like a more ergonomic keyboard etc. Many good parts make a good machine.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Yes. Weight reduction in one place means they can increase weight in other, like battery density or heftier components (are chips and heatsinks major contributors to weight?) without affecting total weight. Same way making a phone thinner allows you to add more battery.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    It's one of my main criteria for my next personal laptop. I commute very frequently and travel between 2 homes, most of the time by bike and public transportation. I want to carry as light as possible.

    I have a tablet but it's nowhere near the flexibility of a Linux laptop.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I think we have gone way past the ideal weight for laptops. My favorite laptop weight wise was an HO from 2009. It was 6 pounds. That thing was great. You could sit it in your lap, and it would stay there. I have a MacBook at half that weight, and it slips off my lap constantly. Part of that is the material, but part of it is that it is so light.

    I really wish we could start focusing on ideal dimensions, rather than focusing on extremes just for the headlines.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (25 children)

    I'm not going to buy anything from LG any more. My ongoing battle against my own LG TV's enshittification (forced ads and AI everywhere, getting worse every update) has soured my opinion on LG. They can go to hell.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Easy workaround, don't ever let your TV access the internet.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Well the problem is we only use the TV for streaming and my partner wants Netflix and other commercial stuff. Which means I would have to connect another internet device to the TV where the same problem happens again. Going exclusively Jellyfin or whatever is not a solution at this time

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child)

    A Chromecast is not full of ads, but are they all just Google TV now? Is Google TV full of ads? I haven't used one.

    Could be an option to reset your TV, disconnect it from the Internet, and buy & use a Google TV device instead. The streaming devices seem to have far fewer ads and shit than TV manufacturers cram into their devices nowadays.

    The hoops we have to jump through to minimise surveillance capitalism.. I see elsewhere in the thread you've had to use a PiHole to block most of the TVs traffic.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    I agree, LG is a pretty awful brand all around but I really like the idea of new lighter materials used in consumer hardware. Moving away from plastics to metal frames has been nothing but a fashion mistake.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (12 children)

    I've actually always liked the solid feel of Macbooks. There are lighter laptops out there, but few if any feel as solid.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Hard disagree, macbooks have some of the most unergonomic and awful frame design. The sharp corner alone are just so peak stupidity.

    I think people fall for "heavy == quality" falacy way too often here especially since the aluminum frame is actually worse at protecting the internals.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I just like the rigidity. I hate bendy laptops.

    Why would I need the internals protected? Like most laptops, none of mine move around a lot. If I worked out in the field, I'd get something actually tough, sure. But I don't need a Toughbook.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    You need internals protected from basic shock. Macbooks are notoriously very poor regarding drops while you can play volleyball with a plastic thinkpad.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Just don't drop your laptop lmao, how hard can it be?

    I've never dropped my Thinkpad even, and those are actually easier to accidentally trip over since they don't have Magsafe.

    Also I've seen hundreds of dented Macbooks work completely fine. Same with plastic laptops like the Thinkpad and Elitebook except they'd usually have a hole or crack in the corner after the drop instead of a dent.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This is a common security fallacy as sure you might not drop your laptop like you're not crashing your car but once you hit something it's nice to have airbags right? People pay several thousand dollars to recover hard drives of dropped laptops and can you imagine being in such stressful position? So a bit of safety goes a long way.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Backups exist for all the important stuff and who even uses a spinny spinny crashy anymore? SSDs are incredibly fall resistant. Now Apple does make it difficult to recover data off a completely dead motherboard since in some models the storage is integrated, but it'd take a LOT of force to kill the motherboard. Not a drop from any usage height, it'd have to be out of a window on a fairly high floor.

    I'm also incredibly privileged in that I know several people who repair these things professionally (usually liquid damage) so I can get these motherboards repaired for cheap too. Rest of the laptop doesn't matter much, you can always find a donor or 2 to rebuild. Lovely part of having fewer SKUs and more units shipped per SKU than most other manufacturers. I used to do this professionally and it was always easier with Macs because we were able to stock and catalog all the parts for all the models made in, at the time like previous 8 years. With non-Apple laptops, we only stocked parts for select super mainstream business models. Think Thinkpad T and X series only.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    You may not want to, but when you get food poisoning and have to run to the bathroom to throw up, you may knock the laptop over

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I kinda get your point, but:

    1. Not a high enough fall to cause actual* damage usually.

    2. Tiny bit less likely to happen on a Mac because while you can still knock the laptop over, you're WAY less likely to trip over the cable and pull it down. Magsafe is a godsend and I wish more manufacturers used it. I wish it was standardized.

    * To the internals of the laptop, anyway. For the external bits: this is actually where the aluminium body is better than plastic. If it DOES deform, at the heights my laptops would usually be, it's such a tiny dent nobody will notice it most of the time. Cheap plastic laptops would develop a literal hole. Particularly nasty with laptops that don't easily come apart into a top and bottom case assembly. Something like a Thinkpad is excellent here though, because the bottom case comes off first when disassembling and it's more likely to take damage than the palmrest.

    Once you get to really big falls, plastic laptops are better because the internals are better protected. I don't really throw my laptops out of 3rd story windows though. But if I worked at like a construction site, I'd absolutely prefer my laptop to be either something like a Toughbook, or a Thinkpad X240 or X250. I think Lenovo stopped making them as tough as those old models were, but I could be wrong. Those things you could easily drive over with a tractor lol

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    If you want a heavy brick that doesn't need to move around, then buy a desktop for the power.

    If you want a heavy brick that does need to move around, then buy a Think Book so that it can survive a fall.

    And if you want a light laptop that's easy to carry around, then buy a Gram so that it can survive a fall and do basic 2007 things like include a numpad.

    MacBooks heavy feel is literally just them overcharging you for something brittle. It's like being charged more for furniture because it's heavy only to find outs it's made with MDF.

    Macbooks have decent chips that are limited by Apple's crappy software, a flat out badly designed OS, nice screens, and way too much weight for their utility.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    ThinkBooks are super cheap crap, you mean ThinkPads. Lenovo is diluting the brand.

    I worked as a refurb tech. Even the T and X seriess Thinkpads regularly came in with cracks, holes in the corners, etc. Macs would come in dented too, but never did I see a hole in one.

    I do also have a desktop. And I move my laptops around, I just don't drop them on pavement.

    I'm also not disabled so I'm not sure why I need the lower weight for carrying a laptop around.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Really? I thought LG was known for making the least smart TVs. I bought one not too long ago and I haven't noticed a single smart feature.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Claims to be an ai laptop. Has 8 GB of vram in a 5050.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    @RepleteLocum @drmooseThe LLM's are not run on the gpu but rather on the cpu "AMD Ryzen AI 400" for the higher model and use therefor the system memory.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    I feel like the "AI capable" marketed CPUs are a sham. For the average user, it's just going to feel slow compared to cloud compute, so it's just training the average person to not bother buying AI-labelled hardware for AI.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    Just removed the battery.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    So no ports, a shitty battery and OS level spyware? Pass.

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  • [–] 71 points 10 months ago

    Probably with unskippable advertisements.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Kinda fascinating how they manage to cram RTX GPUs in there, don't know how practical it is given the obvious constraints in battery life and cooling but eh. If the new models are anything like the current models they'll even have decent I/O (minus the ethernet port grumble grumble)

    If they offered an AMD version with a dedicated AMD GPU I'd even be half interested. But not really, my ThinkPad P14s is gonna serve me very well for the next 10 years or so.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Macbook Air isn't just about the weight, the processor/horsepower are a draw. I have to wonder if LG can compete with Apple's performance, rather than just making a lighter laptop. The Macbook Air is already quite light. The Macbook Pro is a beast.

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  • [–] 63 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I'm guessing it'll pair horrible battery life with awful build quality like most Windows laptops tend to do. They're all focusing on being thin and light like a MacBook but none of them are close to what Apple has, because of that they loose everything that makes PCs special in the desperate attempt to achieve something Apple does better.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    I believe the gram is know to have decent build quality. I'm sure it doesn't compare to an M series Mac when it comes to performance and battery life, but at least I could put Linux on it.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    And then they all go to a landfill near you. When was LG a name on the laptop market?

    Companies like this should not be allowed to churn crap like this

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    And then the all go to a landfill near you

    I must assume you're talking about LG and Apple laptops both.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    To be fair, Apple hardware typically lasts for a long time. My wife has a 5 year old m1 air and we have no plans to replace it anytime soon.

    We have been out the past few hours working and she went from like 50% to maybe 30-40% in that time.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    I am talking about all the crap that is being built for no reason at all other than a gimmick . Like these LG laptops or the million of devices that are underpowered , poorly built or offer no real benefit. It makes more sense to buy a slightly more expensive device to make it last longer than getting a cheap unusable device. And if you can't afford a new one always have a look at the second hand market. There are high quality slightly older devices that are infinitely better than 90%of the new ones built solely to be thrown in the bin in the shortest amount of time.

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  • [+] 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] [S] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Have you looked into streaming from a desktop? I'm using sunshine/moonlight to stream my video editor from gaming PC to Thinkpad and it works really well! The quality and responsiveness is really good these days to the point where it's hard to even tell it's a stream.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Do you actually want super light laptops? I feel like there is a sweet spot, but who knows maybe I would even want one, never held it in my hands/used it.


    I feel like this comes at the cost of repairability as well though.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 10 months ago

    It does make a difference, especially when the gains are so massive. Personally I don't care much for it but free weight loss is free weight loss. Hopefully this tech gets adopted by other laptop brands.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Ofc with AI™

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    The question is does it run as silent as apple laptops?

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Silence, at least under light load, is honestly such a nice feature.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I bought my desktop at an auction for a self-driving car startup that was shutting down. Amazing specs, great price. It had two RTX 2080 Ti cards in there. Loudest GPU fan I've ever heard in my life. All the other fans in the computer are Noctua but I guess the Ti cards are strictly optimized for performance and not necessarily gaming. I got some nice speakers that are color-coordinated with the desktop but when I'm doing some serious gaming I have to use noise-cancelling headphones to tune out the sound of the GPU fan. Might get a different GPU at some point but it's out of my fun budget right now.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    hated my 3060 ti because of the ridiculously loud fans. the lowest speed for the fans was 1600 rpm and at that speed it howled like a wolf. it would frequently turn them on even when idle as the temps went above 55.

    very happy with my new sapphire 9070 xt, it stays perfectly silent no matter what i throw at it.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Most non-gaming laptops since 2010 don't really make noticeable noise

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

    no, even in 2020 Intel Macs were noisy compared to apple silicon Macs.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    How can fanless intel macbook air make noise?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    They had fans in the Pro, nobody mentioned the Air specifically in this thread. The Air at that time had a crappy Y series Intel CPU in order to go fanless.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    intel airs did have fans anyway. when they switched to apple silicon they removed the fans.

    The 12” macbook (not air or pro) was fanless but it was a severely gimped CPU and had major issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Ah okay I assumed that since the last Intel Airs used the same shitty Y series Intel CPUs they were also fanless. Now that I'm thinking though - those Airs were the ones that had fans that never really blew at the heatsink

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Only the MacBook 12 was fanless from the Intel era, but I’m not too sure about that. Airs were never fanless while being Intel.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    and that thing was a disaster.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Unfortunately, yes. I’m looking for a compact laptop, a typing machine of a kind, I’d use for typing texts in nvim. So I don’t care how slow it is, but I’d like it to be thin and light, with USB C adapter for charger. Even the battery life is not something I need to be high, all I care for it to handle a single writing session, of an hour or two. Ideally, I’d prefer the laptop to be cheap, I don’t need a typing machine for a grand. This laptop could be perfect for the task, yet it’s a disaster. So far, one of the best laptops I could find is a used MacBook Air 11, can get one for €50 to €100 these days.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Well if it’s anything like their previous models then it probably feels like it’s a toy. I remembered playing with a display model when I was thinking of buy it and was amazing by how flimsy it was.

    On paper they seem like good laptops. But in practice?

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  • [+] [S] -24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think your personal anecdote is grounded in any meaningful reality. Laptop tech has been mostly solved for better part of a decade now and even cheap aliexpress laptops are built well enough to hold for years.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    "built well enough to hold for years" is the bare minimum in laptop build quality. sure, lots of crappy flimsy laptops will last "years" but they are still crappy flimsy laptops.

    also tons has changed in laptops over the last decade, particularly in efficiency.

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  • Exactly. I have tons of cheap (when new) laptops that still work perfectly. But that's because I baby them. If I treated them like how I treat my ThinkPads or MacBooks they'd have been broken in a year or two. Plus who actually wants to type on a laptop that's flexing more than the keys are moving?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    With another AI talk to try to hype up consumers in the article, I wouldn't be surprised this thing is pretty much like a Chromebook that has to call servers to do much things.. Still sticking to older tech

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    I think i will rather add a framework mainboard if i feel my 2018 Thinkpad needs an upgrade. Frame and screen are still like new and it's quite repairable.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Almost as good as a macbook from 5 years ago, for only twice the price!

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    People looking to make an airfoil out of their laptop or some shit?

    It's still the same fucking Tiktok guys.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I get the appeal of a lightweight device but i personally like a little weight as long as it is heavy because it _b .... I just woke up and realized I fell asleep typing my comment. I literally bored myself to sleep.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    im building a cyber deck, fuck this shit.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Makes it easier to throw into the bin after 2 years when shit stops working, unlike on a macbook

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    This is some legitimately backwards thinking.

    I was on charge of end user devices for a company of 70k people. 70k laptops and desktops. Macs were depreciated over 3 years. Windows devices were depreciated over 5. Repair rates were equivalent, but it was a lot easier to repair the windows devices in house.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    What a misleading title! It says 2026 gram laptop but that’s so heavy it’s 1199 grams wtfff

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