I just started this show. I haven’t really liked any Star Trek show since STNG, so I kept putting this one off. Mostly because Picard hasn’t been well received

I am halfway through season one. I am not sure what to say about this show. I don’t love it. Parts have a lot of promise and parts are just so clumsy. It has a serial story, but it is clear that whoever is writing it is still thinking episodically. Things are really sped up and the writers have an obsession with illustrating backstory in the worse way. So many scenes with laborious dialogue.

The show is also a lot more realistic view of the federation than previous Trek products I have seen.

Overall there is enough goodness to keep me watching and again, I don’t love it.

UPDATE

I bailed out of S1 around E8 it was just terrible. On advice from the thread I skipped to S3 and lasted three episodes. It was terrible. One the comically terrible parts is how all the 70 year olds had 20 something kids.

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[–] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I haven't really liked any Star Trek show since STNG.

May I recommend Star Trek Lower Decks?

Yes, it's animated, but because it's animated, there's more alien lifeform representation than in the live action shows. It's really well written, has character development over the series, and does fan service really, really well.

It also explores some of the less seen (but obviously necessary) aspects of the Federation - what happens after first contact, what do the non-officers do day-to-day, etc.

I started it after Picard, and although I liked Picard (for all the faults highlighted by the OP and other commenters), I fell in love with Lower Decks.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Does it make fun of it? DS9 is probably one of my most favorite series - incredibly serious and high stakes premise, yet it also had comedy aspects. (Hooman Root Beer comes to mind).

    Lower Decks treats DS9 incredibly well, even recreating the original slow pass around the station with the original theme (I got a bit choked up). The characters were excited to meet Kira, Odo, and Quark - and those original voice actors came back to reprise their roles, giving a legit update to how things are going now that time has passed since "What You Leave Behind".

    They do call backs to each prior season, not just as off the cuff jokes, but actually to do fan service right - exploring the original references and adding layers. TNG's Pakleds are a great example - they were a one-off for Picard to deal with before moving on, but in LD they've made almost 10 episodes, and they've actually been shown to be more than just stupid aliens (because really, how could a race of utter idiots make it to space?).

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Have you watched Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks? As someone who also hadn't gotten into Star Trek since Next Generation, those were exactly what I wanted.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I have seen SNW. It is 6/10 for me.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I liked it until they started doing a fucking musical.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I should have said I have only seen the first season. It has really corny parts

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It gets worse every season. With the Ellisons owning it Star Trek has nothing to say. Just pretty CGI and action plots. The soul of it isn't there in SNW.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    The deal didn't close until about August. You can blame the upcoming stuff on the Ellisons, but SNW seasons 1-3 have nothing to do with them.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Season 3 is better thanks to cashing in on nostalgia

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago*

    It's more fun, certainly.

    But I wouldn't say it was any better - if that refers to quality.

    It was my favourite season of the three, but pulling out the big nostalgia guns made it even more obvious they were really getting desperate.

    They had to invent such a contrived and ridiculous plot, all to justify why that nostalgia trip could happen, or make the faintest bit of sense.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Season 1 is awful. Season 2 is awful. Both have the occasional high point that is pretty much entirely unearned.

    Season three is a clunky, but well meaning apology for the previous two seasons and all of the TNG movies. It’s fan service, yes, but compared to seasons 1 and 2 it is Shakespeare. Actors get to act. Some actual drama between characters that never got a real chance to have those scenes before. Like “All Good Things” it’s not perfect, but it’s good enough to be a satisfying ending.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    For me season 1 was not awful. It was not good, but it was not awful. Now season 2... was absolutely terrible, the worse we have seen in all the Star Trek universe. Season 3 was better than 2, but it was still not good.

    I'd say avoid this show!

    I see Star Trek Lower Decks has been mentioned. That is truly a great show!

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Neither do I, but it will put off a group of viewers. Obviously a legacy sequel show should be fan service, but S1/2 were so far off the mark it cones off as jarring in S3.

    I thought S3 was pretty great, but admittedly because it gave me everything I was hoping it would. Not perfect. Certainly not something I can recommend to anyone who didn’t see the TNG movies when they were fresh. But to anyone who did suffer through that cast getting trotted out into a series of terrible, grim, geriatric action movies, S3 is fantastic.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago*

    Mostly I didn't like the first season because it felt like a weird retread of the premise of Mass Effect. Never bothered watching anything beyond that.

    Trying too hard to be gritty and serious, when the somewhat campier aspects of TNG are what originally sold me on that series.

    TNG had its share of serious and deep plots, but the less serious, self-aware episodes are what give it character.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The series (the first two seasons) was mostly written by Akiva Goldsman. The book was written by Una McCormack, someone who has written a lot of Star Trek tie-in books. That’s most of the reason why her books elevate the property so much.

    It’s a shame that book writers are not tapped to write the shows.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, have television veterans doing the screenplay and directing, but have the story written or at least envisioned by someone who is used to taking an original idea and turning it into a finished product all on their own.

    The more “producers” a single episode has, the worse it almost assuredly is.

    Another problem is that we found out the hard way that Sir Patrick Stewart is a great actor but a terrible writer.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    By "realistic" do you mean "grimdark"? Cause that's the only way I usually see it used when in reference to shows showing idealistic things suddenly turning dark and melodramatic.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    the most disappointed i've been in any trek product. really hoped they'd do TNG justice but it's just shitty nutrek like everything else.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    I liked seasons 1 and 2 more than most, and I still only kind of liked them. I would definitely recommend that all but the most die hard fans just skip to season 3. No previous new characters except Raffi are even featured in it. (Laris doesn't count, it was just a quick scene at the beginning).

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    Picard had too much nonsensical decision making for me to ever get into it. Its not the worst trek, but I think its down there.

    Personal ranking: DS9 > TNG > LD > VOY = TOS = Ent > Picard > SNW (haven't finished season 3) > Disco (never watched season 5).

    I haven't seen Prodigy and it's more than 30 years since I watched any TAS.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 10 months ago

    I have issues with the writing and I am only halfway through S1, so maybe it comes later?

    I really havent seen any bad character decisions yet.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    It felt esoterically nostalgic. I would have liked it to have more depth of side characters or cheesy moral lessons as in TNG, Voyager and DS9

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    I am now on E8 of S1 and wow it has just gotten terrible. I don’t think I will make it to S3.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, quit while you can. S3 only feels okay-ish in comparison because S1 and S2 are so absolutely terrible. Not worth it.

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