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Trump’s battleship plan clashes with decades of U.S. naval strategy and technology shifts

Experts described it as a “prestige project,” a “bomb magnet” and said that “this ship will never sail.”

Even if it were technically feasible, the cost of building the battleship would be prohibitive.

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[–] 110 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Rule of law in this land now: "Trump-class" anything is coded for "kickback-funneling-class" - it's never going to exist for it's stated mission, only for the explicit mission of funneling money around.

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  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Amazing isn't it? Trump is the epitome of failure, but only at the mercy of other people. You gotta hand it to the piece of shit, he is an incredible grifter. He's managed to convince an entire Top Three nation to let him do whatever the fuck he wants. He's getting away with unspeakable crimes; pedophilia, rape, possibly murder... etc. The world's worst human being running freely, in the most powerful position in the world, and a cult of personality. Just amazingly terrible.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago

    Yup, same as it's always been. I find solace in his big mad though:

    1. Wants to be beloved by all Americans; will never be loved by even half of Americans.
    2. Desperately wants to preserve his legacy; there is no future where his legacy isn't tarnished.
    3. Craves being the richest, most successful 'business' man in the world; every business launched ended in failure or prosecution.
    4. Tries to project emotional strength and fortitudinous; late-night comedians live rent free in what's left of his brain.
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  • [–] 54 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    He really is Hitler brained.

    Poor guy wants to see his name on everything and the biggest boat with biggest guns would be his favorite.

    Goddamn his parents should have taken him to a psych hospital

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Like, the navy hasn't used battleships in decades because they are obsolete to deystroyers, that kind of obstacle?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    With future weaponry they might see a come back

    These extremely high powered laser weapons need large battery banks which seem to be usable as a power source for railguns too. Big boats might make sense, and with laser weapons mostly obsoleting air attacks they'd be a lot less of a sitting duck

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    You know Iran has AI torpedo drones, right? They're called Valfajr torpedos.

    And more exotic ideas:

    https://maritime-executive.com/article/iran-releases-footage-of-world-s-first-sub-launched-suicide-drone

    Anyone actually paying attention to Iran will tell you that "bigger is better" Trump ideas are just giant floating "sink me" signs compared to fast, easy to produce swarms of smart explosives.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Yeah the next generation of serious combat will probably be significantly influenced by who has the best underwater capabilities, unless someone builds some kind of flying fortress for laser attacks and air denial

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Personally, I think a "battleship" designed solely for coastal bombardment duties would be the best fit for a modernized version. A Siege Ship, I guess? Provided the artillery shells are cheap, they can be constantly lobbed with great range and power at stationary targets. This would free up expensive missiles and aircraft for tasks beyond the reach or accuracy of the artillery.

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  • [–] 61 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    America is never recovering from this shit show.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    It's going to take, minimum, 10 years to build, right? And that's not counting any design, planning, and other ships that may be in progress at our shipyards. He's never going to see it. So let's just tell him we're building it, and not.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly, if I was some admiral trying to protect a bunch of R&D projects in development from Trump, I'd probably wrap as many of them as I could into a pitch for a big battleship with his name on it then spend the entire budget on the technologies that are supposedly going into the ship. Put basically no effort into the ship itself, just show him concept art and maybe send him a model or something to make him think progress is being made.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    How could a large incredibly expensive slow moving warship that's really easy to locate and follow possibly be a bad idea? It's not like you can quickly, cheaply, and easily cram a bunch of explosives in a few unnamed submersibles and sink those ships for a fraction of the cost, right?

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Remember the Alamo Yamato!

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Okay but what does a really good space anime have to do with Trump's delusions?

    Wait actually I can kind of see it.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    In case you're not kidding, it was a real battleship - practically useless due to it's size and cost, it only fired it's main guns in one engagement (and it's only arguable that they did anything) and spent the rest of the war as a command ship or scuttling between ports attempting to hide from enemy aircraft. It was ultimately sunk on it's way to a suicide mission by allied bombers.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I knew there was a real ship but I had no idea how useless it actually was.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Better yet, there were two ships in the class. Yamato's sister ship, Musashi suffered a very similar fate, though.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Even better still, the IJN had plans drawn up for a Super-Yamato class, but the war ended before it could be built.

    It's ironic that the Japanese had successfully proved the effectiveness of aircraft carriers in the opening of the war with the surprise bombing of Pearl Harbor, but failed to carry that through to the end and instead hid behind the old way of having the thickest armor and largest guns.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    The Japanese attempt to win the war against the USA failed on day one. They gambled everything on sinking the bulk of the U.S. carrier fleet which, to the Japanese's great dismay, was not even in Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941. When Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku heard of this, he said "we have awoken a sleeping giant."

    If they had taken out the U.S. carriers that day, the Kido Butai would have been the dominant naval force in the Asia-Pacific region. With their powerful carriers, nobody could have stood up to them. And maybe the IJN's super battleships would have had their day in the sun, after all.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    If it does get made I hope it sinks faster than the Vasa

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    Every word makes sense but ...... It does not matter. It needs to be big, it must have (the illusion) of impressive and it has to carry his name.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    Literally the only thing this has going for it is how much of the world would be united in support of watching the USS Donnie Dotard sink into the ocean depths where it is crushed beyond all recognition.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    In other words: the idea of a battleship is as outdated as the idiot in the White House who had it.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The obsession with a Navy that can fight three different wars on opposite sides of the planet is outdated and the product of paranoid, reactionary, imperialist foreign policy.

    Our biggest trading partners are increasingly our biggest geopolitical rivals. At some point, we either need to reconcile these contradictions or surrender intentional trade as a possibility into the next century

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    The easiest way to deal with the US at this point is simply to drop US bonds on the market. That could easily destroy what Trump has not yet destroyed of the economy.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    That's... debatable. Unless you're holding hundreds of billions of dollars worth, nobody is really going to complain when you feed a valuable commodity to the secondary market at a discount.

    The real pain the US has felt comes from the crimps in the Supply Chain. Yemen shutting the Suez Canal has done incalculable harm to US trade. If we saw similar pressure in Panama and Singapore?

    Even beyond that, climate change is going to hit North America extra hard over the next few years. Probably the meanest thing a foreign country could do right now is whisper in the ears of every Great Lakes resident "They're coming for your water".

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not talking about you or me doing this. But Japan, China, the UK and the EU are holding trillions of US debt...

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Individuals and organizations within these countries hold this debt, but they hold it as collateral against their own debts and liabilities. They hold Treasuries because of the guaranteed valuation and ROI. And you'll be hard to find anything comparable to replace Treasuries with.

    Now, should the ECB start issuing "Eurobonds" that function the same way as US Treasuries? Should the Pacific Rim organize as a regional financial block independent of the US Federal Reserve and Wall Street? Absolutely.

    But simply dumping US Treasuries onto the open market doesn't get you there.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The very first thought that popped into my head when I heard about this was that Trump is so stupid he doesn't even realize that we haven't actively used battleships in our naval doctrine since the end of World War 2. Aircraft carriers will always be more versatile, have longer range, and cast a larger sphere of influence than a battleship of any size ever will.

    So this is little more than a glorified pet project to stroke Trump's fragile ego, set to the tune of multiple billions of dollars in R&D and private contracts to his wealthy friends, for a project that will unlikely be done before he leaves office or leaves this mortal coil, whichever comes first.

    I expect that if we end this madness and get a Democrat in office, if they have any good sense at all, they'll cancel the project. However, the damage will be done between now and the next three years. Taxpayer money will be shoveled into this pit and evaporate into the ether.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I'll be honest, I doubt any real money is being dumped into this.

    More and more, things like this come across as people giving Trump nonsense toys to play with to feel bigly important and distract him as he gets more and more infirm. If any money actually moves towards this, it'll be actually diverting into someone's pocket along the way.

    It struck me the most when he made the announcement of a new class of Jumbo Jet and he was literally sitting there at his desk like a kid playing with a lego airplane model.

    He is increasingly a addled child that they keep distracted with stupid shit like this so that they can get work done without him fucking it up for them by opening his idiot mouth. (like admitting that Venuzuela was about oil...for example)

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago*

    I bet if Trump stays in power long enough he will inevitably demand that it is painted gold.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    “This may be an era in which the president believes the U.S. last had naval supremacy.”

    What he believes is that his name needs to be plastered on something of relative permeance and might, because once he keels over he'll be remembered as a cautionary tale only.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Meanwhile, our Navy's skeleton crews have a tough enough time simply avoiding ramming tankers. Maintenance is also suffering, and since we have the largest fleet on Earth, it all seems rather pointless.

    The money would be better spent on our existing fleet, I think.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Lmao the lazerpig, animarchy et al roundtable have been having a field day with this.

    r/NoncredibleDefense too

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    We'll call it the Numbnutz Class.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    This thing is getting a proper announcement on Monday, right?

    I'm actually really curious to see what the Navy thinks the role and function of a modern battleship should be.

    Especially with the designs coming out of China focusing on missile and especially drone launching capabilities, I wonder if ONR will go the same way or if they have a different vision for the future of capital warships.

    The article mentions the Navy saying it wants to focus on distributing naval assets across many smaller vessels, and that seems far more sound in an era where an autonomous naval drone can pack enough punch to take down a massive vessel and can be launched in swarms. I'm not sure what the value of massive vessels are in a world where that exists. Would it be capable of launching its own drone fleet of screening ships? Is it a massive EWAR platform? Does it even have guns? I dunno. I wanna see though.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    I'm actually really curious to see what the Navy thinks the role and function of a modern battleship should be.

    A coral reef, probably. There's a reason battleships aren't made anymore. Moron might as well be boasting were going to make the biggest bestest most bigliest Ironclads the world has ever seen.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    He probably heard his boss bragging over the Moskva.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    i'm just surprised he hasn't started building his washington krasnov monument [below] that is right next to washington's girthy stately vigorous phallic protrusion.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Key Points: Never stopped him before.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    You know this is fake because the ship isn’t pure gold

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Such an insecure little boy that late 70s man is.

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    [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    First and foremost the fact that he obviously have no idea what an actual battleship is - A ship type no longer in use because Billy Mitchell proved it to be an obsolete concept 100 years ago.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Fewf I thought it was Trump's Narcisism which would have been a way bigger obstacle.

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