Publicly available police reports.
I'm completely against doxxing. But there were public reports. That's censorship.
Publicly available police reports.
I'm completely against doxxing. But there were public reports. That's censorship.
shouldn't really surprise anyone. Didn't their CEO like several months ago pretty much defend a known fascist/tranphob on the platform and essentially told people who complained about it to "not post" out of protest? Also Bluesky is extremely quick to bend to the whims of whatever government body makes demands. They were one of the first sites to quickly implement age verification in the UK I believe.
Also Bluesky is extremely quick to bend to the whims of whatever government body makes demands. They were one of the first sites to quickly implement age verification in the UK I believe.
LOL what did you expect them to do, exactly? They can either comply with the law or be fined to death. Those are their choices.
Well, I expected them to capitulate while shuddering and moaning and begging for more, because that's what they love, but I would expect a not-shit company to not lead the pack at the very least.
What difference does that make?
You're right, there's no harm to complying in advance. Let's do it!
There literally isn't.
complying in advance is incredibly dangerous
https://lithub.com/resist-authoritarianism-by-refusing-to-obey-in-advance/
bottom line: compliance to fascism before it's forced you to comply is how fascism goes from visible in the public sphere to all consuming slaughter machine. the best way to resist fascism is early and often. make them work for it. especially when the current iteration is fundamentally composed of lazy losers
Its irrational radicals like you who are undermining the resistance effort
Just pick up a severe eating disorder, donate all your money to the heritage foundation, and play a round of Russian roulette every night. Spin that cylinder! For the resistance!
Fucking insane children trying yo undermine real, serious adult resistance. I swear if the fascists win it will be all your fault.
took me longer than i would have liked to realize you were joking 😂
we live in a nightmare…
This is not even remotely the same thing. This article is talking about doing something that you are asked to do by fascists or anticipate being illegal. The situation we're discussing is literally already signed law and it's simply a matter of (a very specific) time before it's mandated.
i wanted to take some time to review and reflect, and i cannot bring myself to the same conclusion. as you said, the mandate does not exist yet. plus, this fascist regime has invented new ways of losing in the courts because they simply don't have total control yet. bluesky has the resources to fight for their users right in court. by choosing not to wait for a court order or even put up a minimal legal resistance, they complied in advance. to me, their decision to remove these posts or ban these accounts reflects not a requirement to comply, but instead company values. they thought it would be easier and cheaper to roll over. i think this is ultimately the underlying flaw of for-profit media companies so i'm not surprised, and the conclusion i reach is that with a for profit media company, i am the product. as the product, i can refuse to have my attention sold to the highest bidder as an "impression." if i don't like fascism, i don't use bluesky. so i don't
the mandate does not exist yet
It does.
bluesky has the resources to fight for their users right in court.
They don't.
then why restore the posts and accounts? why did you say the mandate would exist soon instead of already? and yes. the absolutely have the money to hire a lawyer and put forward the legal deposits to challenge this in court. any company with more than 50 employees not approaching bankruptcy filings does
why did you say the mandate would exist soon instead of already?
You're mixing up various timelines. There is the date it was signed into law, and the date it was enforced, and these are both in the past. BSky enacted this between the 2.
the absolutely have the money to hire a lawyer and put forward the legal deposits to challenge this in court.
It would be a waste of money. There's no way a scrappy startup wins a lawsuit of that scale against a state government or especially even an international one.
That delicious leather-rubber-mud taste.
I'm gonna state a new law, it needs you to rip one of your nails off and send it for age verification so you better start ripping it off
it's the law brochacho you better start complying
Lol imagine being such a fucken sycophant you post this garbage 😂
Oh no, surprise, censorship on a centralized platform. No one saw that coming.
I'm pretty sure he has nothing to do with bluesky. i think he's into nostr now.
Nothing might be going too far. He left the board since it wasn't good PR for them but Bluesky is not transparent about its ownership and Dorsey could well still have a stake in it.
They have talked about some parts of it. They got funding from Twitter under his direction and got to keep the funds when Twitter bailed on their side of the contract as Musk bought it (the initial plan was to move Twitter to a new protocol)
It's a public benefit corporation. Jack can't legally do much at all after having left the board
yeah I'm aware... doesn't really refute anything I said. If he holds a share then he can do what any investor can do and how much he can do depends on how big his share of the company is.
No, public benefit corporations specifically don't work like that. They're comparable to non profits in that manner
They're not. In practice PBC status doesn't really limit them very much at all and is nothing like nonprofit.
That really depends on the state and company bylaws. It's not just a label.
The existing team (which jack isn't on) owns it, and nobody from Twitter has influence over it
It's not just a label but it guarantees practically nothing because it only means they are allowed to consider things other than shareholder profit. It doesn't in any way ensure that they do and a PBC is mostly treated just the same as a for-profit company.
Obviously it isn't just the team that owns Bluesky at this point since they have had multiple rounds where they've raised venture capital. That is an old bit of information that I think they still have up on the site despite it being both vague and obviously false.
i largely guage the toxicity of platforms by how quickly you encounter a genocide denier. nostr holds the record in that i encountered one on there literally as soon as i finished onboarding. a record that can only be tied, not beaten
Crypto bro here and I agree wholeheartedly. Crypto shouldn't be anyone's whole personality. Social networking doesn't need money baked into it - it just needs decentralized moderation, and we can donate out of band. Anyone who wants to improve society somewhat should be on the fediverse right now.
He doesn't own or work at Bluesky
Because for Americans when something went wrong it can never be a systemic issue by design. It was because all the fault of a person.
See also why they keep voting Democrat.(but this time fresh new blood will change it for real!)
What are you even on about?
You've never met an american?
Fuck bluesky.
Anyone using it over Mastodon to protest twitter is a moron.
Obay but can I use mastodon in a way that let's me choke on corporate dick? Because choking on corporate dick is kind of my favorite thing. Whole reason inhere.
There's a really fucked up reason why I couldn't make a linked in account if I wanted to.
I thought Mastodon was dead tbh
like when you looked into it you didn't find much you were interested in, or like the people you were interested in have left that way of interacting with the fediverse? between the threadiverse and the microblog portion of the fediverse, we are by far engaging with the less popular and populous way of interacting with the fediverse
I use both, more voices against shit like this is good. I just recently logged into both accounts to protest Barri Weiss and her Trump ball licking.
The rewards of legally unnecessary moderation. Not the first unpopular incident of censorship by bluesky, either.
wow if we can't trust me jack dorsey who can we even trust anymore‽
did anyone actually trusted jack dorsey?
bsky not run by jack
Jay sucks too all on her own.
^ this is an important detail people seem to miss
It quickly became clear that users understood something Bluesky didn’t: Bluesky couldn’t code away social problems on the app. At some point, Bluesky’s leadership would have to do something about users who were openly racist, transphobic, misogynist, or otherwise abusive.
Nevertheless, the CEO’s solution was something she called “compostable moderation,” a skeet labelling system that users with the financial resources and technical know-how could develop and deploy on their own little corner of Bluesky. In practice, this was a way to outsource responsibility. Rather than Bluesky taking accountability for hate speech or death threats, users were expected to moderate themselves
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In short, Bluesky’s moderation is not neutral; it is selective. The platform is quick to silence, censor, or ban users it finds inconvenient or embarrassing, yet consistently unwilling to act against hate speech, misinformation, or other antisocial behaviour.
It amazes me how babylike some adult humans understanding of the world really is, did they NOT expect that to happen? That is precisely what I figured would happen and I am no genius, it is just common sense?
Congratulations, you have completed the game…. Just kidding! It never ends. It only gets worse, and you will make mistakes, and people will get mad and personally blame you and insist that you are deliberately trying to “censor” their brilliant ideas, and advertisers will get mad, and politicians will pressure you into doing their bidding, and the media will criticize every mistake. You own a social network. Isn’t it fun?
Moderation IS the hard part of running an online community, all the programming and technical details are the easy part with clear answers and rational obstacles.
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