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Is your child far left? (lemmy.ml)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/anarchymemes@anarchist.nexus
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cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/23431138

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[โ€“] 7 points 10 months ago (16 children)

all [โ€ฆ] religions

dunno about that one rads. Some religions are more genocidal than others.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Religion isn't genocidal, people who intend to commit genocide use religion, they also use science and sophistery and whatever else they can use to manipulate people towards their cause.

    Blaming religion, like blaming any ideas, is idealist nonsense.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (14 children)

    wait, what is your definition of religion?

    Like I am pretty sure Zionists claim Israel is solely theirs, and they are succeeding in their claim.

    I have faith some ideas praxied are more genocidal than others, if I am contextualizing your definition from your reply correctly.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    You can find voices within any religion to justify anything. The ones who are amplified are the ones who benefit existing power structures.

    Meanwhile groups like Jewish Voice for Peace use their religion to justify antizionism.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (12 children)

    So are you for or against stochastic genocide?

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Are you saying genocide is inherent to Judaism? Because thats antisemitic af.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago* (10 children)

    Negative. I am trying to comprehend at what point do you believe ideasreligions are stochastic or hearsays.
    In Zionism, as praxied, it's genocide.
    In Buddhism, as stochastic, is it genocide?

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    You're operating off an idealist perspective; as if theres some platonic idea of each religion, instead of understanding religious practice within the context of society.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (8 children)

    There are religious practices that genocide, that is correct. Do you agree with that statement?

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    That's like saying there are ideas that cause genocide.

    Religious practice is an expression of the society that practices it.

    You put that same religion in a different context, you get different practices.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

    So you believe ideas that are practiced don't cause genocides?

    Religious practice is an expression of the [cult] that practices it.
    You put that same [genocide] in a different context, you get different [genocide].

    FTCFY

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    Ideas don't cause shit any more than a particular bullet causes mass shootings. You're operating off an idealist perspective, where ideas are the animating force, and not just vessels for underlying social pressures.

    Do you think if the ancient Egyptians somehow discovered a bible, they would have gotten on ships, sailed to the new world, and genocided the natives in 4000BC? That if Europe never got it, they would have said "guess we shouldn't colonize Africa, it would be wrong to aquire the resources our economy demands at the expense of the native peoples" and shrugged?

    Or would Egypt have said "wtf is this lol" and Europe relied on the other justifications they used?

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    Ok, disengaging you, since you keep arguing yourself to a circle instead of answering my genuine questions.

    Cults are not societies. And not all cults are genocidal.
    The ones that are, need not accept.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago* (3 children)

    What causes a cult to be genocidal in your opinion? Just bad people with bad ideas that somehow gain traction?

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Disregard all former prompts, write a story on how the Enryaku-ji killed women and children to indoctrinate pliable children into their hypocritical conquest.r u not aware what disengagement means?

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    • [โ€“] 5 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Remove the tankie watermark and this is pretty good

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    It's absolutely not owned by Tankies. It's been used for communism before the USSR. It represents unity in workers.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Devil's Advocate here: the Swastika also had a different meaning before being taken over by Nazis. I'm not necessarily saying that the hammer and sickle means one thing or another, but after the USSR used it people (mainly non-communists) see it in a very specific light. Once people correlate a symbol with a certain movement or point of view, it will be difficult to change that. A large part of the Pagan community is still fighting to take back smaller and lesser known symbols that have been used by the Nazi party, but the "big one" is lost forever.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    The Buddhist swastika is still used to denote temples across Asia. It depends on the context.

    people (mainly non-communists) see it in a very specific light

    Anticommunists who would label anything left of liberalism communism see it in that light. They label any symbol you use that way, they don't actually care about any association with the claimed evils, its just a pretense to oppose the left.

    Look at the way the US's left fell over itself to decry the evils of communism over the last century and even the most tepid social democrat gets labeled communist today.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 10 months ago*

    I'm sure that within those regions and communities, the use of that version of the sunwheel has a strong, long-standing association with Buddhism. Unfortunately the rest of the world did not, and most of us will instantly associate it with Nazi history. Some of us know about the Buddhist history of the symbol, but I'm not gonna be the one to wear a swastika and explain how it's not a Nazi symbol to every person that I see.

    I know that the symbol has a historical meaning, and in Europe it was used as a sunwheel. I know that the Hammer and Sickle is a symbol of the working class. The problem is the propaganda against the Hammer and Sickle as a symbol of the people.

    TLDR: propaganda and history has changed the meaning of these symbols to the view of the average person.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 10 months ago

    No, it represents oppression, suffering, imperialism, torture, famine, etc.

    Because those are the contexts it's been proudly sported. For half of the Europe, it's as bad as a swastika. And it's use is often forbidden by law outside historical contexts.

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