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[–] 52 points 10 months ago (13 children)

The divide is most often made between carnivore and herbivore. "Shit" flows up, meaning all the nasty stuff an animal eats lower in the food chain, goes up and accumulates in their predators. Carnivore meat is usually more disease ridden and unhealthy for consumption. Our culture has kinda evolved to this point naturally as a protection mechanism.

It's also the reason you should avoid eating too much of bigger fish species due to heavy metals. Smaller fish don't absorb as much, but bigger fish accumulates heavy metal for each small fish they eat.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    I think the point isn't about practicality, but ethics. It's less practical to eat carnivores, but is it unethical? If it's ethical to kill and eat a cow, is it also ethical to kill and eat a horse? A dog? A cat?

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  • [–] 53 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I think you misunderstood the argument.

    It's okay to eat puppies and kittens because they haven't accumulated as much 😌

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I had a professor who was native american, and yeah, he spoke quite honestly about how they breed the dogs for meat, and the puppy is more tender. He said his friends would always joke with him when he went back to the reservation for holidays. I can't remember the exact joke, but it was something about how he would have to dig deep into the stew because the puppy was at the bottom.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    would have to dig deep into the stew because the puppy was at the bottom

    I am having a hard time getting that.
    If puppy is more tender, it would be because its tissue is lighter and composed more of fat and areolar tissue than muscle and dense connective tissue. Then in a stew full of meat from multiple ages of dog and what not, the puppy should be more buoyant than the dog, making it float higher.
    How then, does the puppy end up at the bottom?

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

    Some parts of my country used to eat & sell dog meat during WW2. Now not anymore, for above reasons.
    I think it's perfectly clear; the line is neccessity and taste vs. friend and practicality.
    Also, third-level consumers are a waste of ressources in most cases, due to metabolic inefficiencies.

    And yeah, horse meat is still a thing. Moschtbrökli (some dried good parts kept in apple juice) a more or less local speciality. Quite tasty btw.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    The line is ethics and necessity.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    I'm more curious why it's Cat->dogs->another Cat->other dogs

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago* (10 children)

    The cat further on the right pissed in your shoes

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Does that make it more yummy? If so pigeons should the rightmost animal

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I hate pigeons and they hate me

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I heard that branch of the tree of life taste horrible. Too much ammonia flavor

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    All im gonna say is hare/rabbit should definitely be more to the right than horse

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Pretty sure all mammals are edible so I guess the line should be all the way left.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Pretty sure none should be eaten so the line should be all the way right.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I put the line horizontally so I get to eat just the bottom half.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    None of those are bred for meat.

    Never tried dog btw, it's expensive and doesn't smell great.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    French bulldogs are not obviously more delicious than English bulldogs because they use more butter.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Its because there's more meat on the larger breeds

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Why are some cats more edible than some dogs, bit less edible than other dogs?

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (31 children)

    Have you considered the animals we don't eat just don't taste good? 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    Or they were too hard to domesticate?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    I often wonder which animals would just go extinct if we stopped farming them. And which ones would trade in a shorter life of food, shelter, safety, and health instead of being in the wild and surviving, constantly preyed on.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Animals aren't concerned with extinction and don't have committees to vote on what kind of life they should have. They just want to live.

    Many would go extinct as they were bred to be killed, not to survive in nature. I'm not sure if you were going there, but that's not an argument to not stop farming them. The intention here is to stop this cycle where hundreds of billions a year are born into a disfigured body, then live hell and suffering and misery then killed. They should go extinct and that should stop.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Been on a farm before, what suffering? Plenty of non factory farms exist too.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    They just want to live.

    animal cognitive behaviourists who study the subject have not found proof that non human animals understand personal mortality. that is, they don't understand that they, themselves, might die. if you don't know that you might die, you can't meaningfully be said to want to live.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    what's nonsense is making unproven claims, and premising a broader argument on those.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    I'm not even making any claims that are not truisms. Just common knowledge obtained by everyone that has ever had any contact with any animal.

    But you do you. I don't want to continue with this. Be well, happy holidays.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    "common knowledge", "truisms"

    just present some evidence

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children)

    I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader.

    Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences.

    However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive.

    (Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living)

    TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago

    this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though.

    there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Can confirm. I've tasted dog; Not that good.

    Horses are excellent sausage material though.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Do you think most carnivores don’t taste all that great?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    Does raw pork taste good?

    Or is it the dish that tastes good, a.k.a how it's prepared and seasoned?

    For example, I hate fish, but Fish'n'chips is amazing, because there's barely any taste of fish.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time. I definitely know there are meats, completely unseasoned, that I like and dislike. Pork is a big ugh from me.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time.

    Oh, I dunno about that. Have you ever seen a vegetarian relapse? They'll murder you if you try to take it off them.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I don't think this is true for most people. I will eat food that has meat in it if it's just going to go bad or be thrown away, but that's extremely rare and it's the same as I remember it from when I used to eat it. So probably once every 1-3 years. maybe it would be different if it was like 10+ years. Definitely with milk it is immediately obvious anything that has it and it tastes pretty gross now.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Where are the delicious whales?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Depends if you are shopping at Tesco

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Because PETA is a piece of shit organization that doesn't actually require or deserve that kind of consideration.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)

    I’ve never had horse meat (afaik).

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Here in the US, there was a rumor going around for a while that Taco Bell meat was horsemeat. Dunno if it was ever verified or debunked. My own opinion was just, "If it's horsemeat, then I guess horsemeat is delicious." Even if it were true, I couldn't have cared any less than I already did.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    I guess just like any meat it all depends on how it's prepared. I ate horse meat I don't know 15 years ago or something like that and it was just okay it wasn't good it wasn't bad it was far too sweet with the way they prepared it. But apparently that's the way the Tongans like it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Why are horses more edible than rabbit?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Swap horse and rabbit and put the line between them

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  • [+] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The issue was that it was advertised as beef. You can buy horse meat in France and it's good, almost like beef but with less fat.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Horse meat taste quite good for the price. There's also lots of horses around, so re-using the meat when they die is much better than some farming conditions. It's a more natural cycle of life.

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  • I will continue to eat geese forever because fuck geese

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