Donโ€™t let publishers destroy the games you bought with kill switches!

Please support the initiative of Stop Killing Games!

EU Petition.

UK Petition

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[โ€“] 68 points 1 year ago (13 children)

PirateSoftware can get fucked. I'm glad this initiative is alive again.

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  • [+] -32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    What did PS say?

    Edit - nevermind. He had a well thought out opposing viewpoint which you disagree with.

    God forbid there should be a healthy discourse on a matter.

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  • [โ€“] 30 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    he was massively misinformed and refused to back down when shown how his argument was flawed.

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  • [+] -21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Or maybe just maybe he's not massively misinformed but it reading things differently hence no need to back down?

    For context I read this.

    https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/pirate-software-stop-killing-games-drama

    Nothing in there states he's wrong simply he is interpreting things differently and his interpretation does not align with yours.

    Also, complex but I doubt you are in the business of making games so I'm confident he probably has additional context forming his viewpoint which you do not.

    Again, god forbid people have opinions. Is this where we are in the terms of discourse now? We are not allowed to disagree because one side feels they are "right"?

    Fyi I have no skin in the game.

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  • Hi, someone who does make games here!

    Whilst there are some concerns with the interpretability of the movement, the reasoning I have seen pirate software give comes across as disingenuous. He explains the worst possible reading, and dismisses the entire movement rather than help guiding it in the right direction like someone in his position could do.

    The real reason people are mad at him is because he made some unnecessarily rude comments about the organiser and the movement as a whole, which was incredibly unprofessional and made a lot of people feel betrayed by openly siding with the same big studios that many people feel cheated by right now.

    If you happen to have any questions, feel free to reach out! This is an incredibly passionate subject for both players and developers alike, but a lot gets lost in the crossfire :)

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago

    Funny how you interpret people downvoting you as "you not being allowed to have an opinion" while downvoting you is nothing more than the expression of their opinions of you being wrong. So should opinions be expressed or not? You cant have that freedom just to yourself.

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He had a well thought out opposing viewpoint which you disagree with.

    Used car salesman

    L O L

    Ego voice mod boy can suck it.

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 1 year ago

    The initiative is not asking for retroactive enforcement.

    They are asking for an end of life plan for games made after some TBD date. Something that at least gives end-users a chance that it can be played after a corporation ends support. Ideally that would be server binaries, but it could also mean documentation on how the server infrastructure works so it can be rebuilt by motivated end-users.

    PS's use of League of Legends is awful because all they would need for an end of life plan (if it had been required at the time) is to add a LAN mode just like PvP games from years and years ago, I.e. Quake, Warcraft, Starcraft, Counter-Strike, Halo... Etc etc etc.

    That's it. That doesn't require "endless" support.

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  • [โ€“] 20 points 1 year ago

    There's currently 40k more signatures than when this was posted yesterday. Ross' last video felt very gloomy, but the pace is picking up again. I'm hopeful. If this push keeps its momentum (likely dependant on some major streamers/news outlets picking up on it), it might just make it in time.

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You Mediterranean motherfuckers need to step it up a bit

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    From today's video, I'm under the impression the country totals no longer matter and they just need to hit 1 million signatures.

    Thank you Ross!

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago

    Good job England, could've at least supplied some signutes.... /j

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Not to be overly disillusioned (though I am), but does this petition accomplish anything that isn't merely performative?

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not at all.

    You can't force anyone to carry on running servers after their business dies, and you can't force them to release code that might be licensed from somebody else.

    Realistically, the onus is on us, and all we can really do is refuse to buy or engage with games that use this model, and if we do then at least accept that one day it will be gone, no matter how much time and money we've tipped into it.

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  • [โ€“] 24 points 1 year ago

    You can't force anyone to carry on running servers after their business dies

    I am amazed at how powerful one video can be to blind people to the whole discussion.

    No, no one expects them to nor does it say so anywhere in the language of the petition.

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  • [โ€“] 20 points 1 year ago*

    The EU can very much dictate how businesses do business in Europe. Consumer protection is one of their responsibilities.

    The initiative however says nothing about forcing anyone to run servers or to release code. If you think that, you missed the entire point. Games in the past used to work just fine after being abandoned without keeping servers online or releasing code.

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