What about work requirements? Drug testing? Can they use the money on soda and fast food?
post
True MAGA farmers should reject payouts from the government, because that's socialism and socialism is BaAaAaD
Vast majority of this funding will get vacuumed up by corporate farms and continue to leave most small family/independents out to dry
I'm not so sure that's true. There is a shit load of land used to grow corn to make ethanol that's farmed by independent farmers. In the US most farmland is used for soy beans and corn for livestock feed or fuel. It wouldn't be a simple or cheap undertaking, but that last could be utilized more efficiently to directly or indirectly fees people.
I would also bet there are enough people that would love to be farmers that can't because land isn't available or cheap that would step up if large farm operations were broken up. That's pure speculation, but even if one mega farm were split 4 ways, that would still be an improvement to the current situation.
So then people were just starving to death in the 50's and 60's?
I seriously doubt it
We had half the population in the US in 1960, and a bit more than a third of today's number globally.
And we had none of the efficiency, gmo's, and a fraction of the available laborers, and were using smaller amounts of land for farming.
"What we're doing is we're taking a relatively small portion of that [money we made off tariffs], and we're going to be giving and providing it to the farmers in economic assistance.“
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the New West. You know... morons.
Yet another "one-time" payment to farmers... must be another year with trump in the white house: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932
Ok. So then what about next year when the tarrifs are still in place and fucking over farmers?
They will get another "one time" payment again. It's like stimulus checks but only for his supporters.
Well, hopefully that's after the midterms and if they don't like it, well fuck it. Donvict won't care as long as he has a compliant Congress to kowtow to every bullshit decree he bleats out on his Xitter knockoff.
So, he's taking our money that we're forced to pay due to his stupid tariffs and is using some of it to payoff his supporters who he screwed over with those same tariffs. So, forcing everyone else to clean up his messes. Classic trump.
Why do they need payouts?
We'll have a concept of a plan in two weeks.
But first: let's talk more about Gatsby parties and ballrooms...
Well. Trump is using the income from the tariffs to pay the farmers. This is America first at its best. We, the people, pay the tariffs and then that money is used to pay the farmers. The farmers then sale their crops to major corporations. The major corporations the charge us more in the stores to cover the cost of the tariffs we, the people, have to pay. It’s brilliant!!!
How much of that £12 bn is going to megacorporations versus small farmers?
I’m trying to figure out here how much farmland is actually owned by farming families and not corporate entities or corporations operating under the “family” banner while being owned by a family that owns shitloads of farms, but I can’t find an honest answer here and the definition of family seems fucking dubious everywhere I’ve looked.
From his own pocket right? Because his stupid decisions put them in that situation. I would like to see what percentage of money goes to small farms and what money goes to huge corporate farms.
boosting the farm safety net
Oh nice that they get one but no one fucking else does.
Of course, but from what I'm understanding these subsidies are going to the farmers who's soybeans weren't bought by China because of Trump's tariffs so they weren't domestic food to begin with. Now they will probably rot somewhere instead. Starvation never entered the picture, this is all about money. I'd love to own a farm, sure.
It's a shame their products aren't valued more, since they are the raw materials for so much including life. I still don't support bailing out farmers who voted for this. I guess I would rather bail out farmers than bankers or oil barons or ranchers, as if I have a choice. Anyways, we can't be sure this money is even going to the right people with this admin.
So the argument is that since the executive is collecting the tariffs, it can spend them directly without Congress?
Isn't the IRS also an executive agency?
Last time I checked they aren't making any arguments unless they are sued.
Why Trump thinks he can spend any revenue without congressional permission is beyond me. It is clear his administration does not care for the rule of law. They are a criminal organization.
Once the small farmers realize Trump is coming for their land it will be too late.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Didn't this genius do nearly the same thing in his first failed term?
And 95% or more will most likely go to corporate megafarms and leave the small farms out to dry.
Such a bunch of socialists. :)
Must be all those welfare queens we keep hearing about
These farmers are what Chomsky means when he talks about "worthy victims". I'm sure many of these people voted for Donvict knowing that he'd be harming lots of people, including themselves, but based on his first term, that he'd throw some money at them...
These people deserve welfare because, well, reasons.
Oh noes farmers may actually realize they are being fucked! Let's give them welfare checks. Well not the darkies anyways. Must keep em dumb and voting.
Where does that 12 billion for soybean and corn farmers come from? The people who can't afford their groceries. America has enough corn. America grows corn just to burn it as a gasoline additive. Maybe if the price of corn is falling, it's time to grow something else.
How many of those farmers voted for trump? You reap what you sow, farms should know that. But many farmers have learned you reap a huge welfare check when you sow hatred so they keep doing it.
A. No it doesn't, we already imported more then we exported and still do.
B. That's not an excuse, make better choices and stop crying when stupidity inevitably kicks you in the ass.
Depends on what they are farming and what you mean by "everyone".
The article says most of this will go to those that produce soybeans and corn - most of that is livestock feed.
I don't eat livestock. About 6% of Americans are vegetarian, proving that plenty of people do w/o livestock and don't starve.
Nice? Sure, I guess. However, I was talking more about starving vs. not.
Wait for mega farms owned by vc and banks to be the ones to get the most as always.
Stop crying start reading.
Who doesn't want farmers to prosper? And are they farming for altruistic reasons?
The majority of the farms around me are cash crops, not providing food for survival. I'm in central California and all I see here is almonds, pistachios, tomatoes and cows. We need to get rid of these since it's just wasted space that's doomed to fail as it's using up valuable resources to profit the few that own them.
We have one acre and we grow a variety of different veggies, trying to grow with sustainable methods like regenerative farming practices. We trade with other like minded people and my wife donates excess to the local church to help feed the poor. We need more people doing this and less of the big corporate farmers lining their pockets while everyone else suffers.
Screw these bailouts
top 51 comments