We got proton sheets before desktop Linux apps for mail and drive :(
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I actually just want them to make proton drive work on Linux. That's all I need.
I comment this on many of their LinkedIn posts. I think they've blocked me at this point
People still use LinkedIn? I thought it was just ai bots using LinkedIn.
I was abducted by pirates and this is what I learned about executive leadership.
I've been wanting a sheets alternative and I really do not like libre office. This is huge
There's also Collabora Office
isnt that just libre office?
There is also OnlyOffice. They all use the document engine from libreoffice but use a different UI.
No, its a desktop version of the Collabora Online suite. Its based on LibreOffice, but imo has a much better frontend and is more stable.
Holy shit, just give me shareable calendars!
well great, now they're just gonna sheet all over the place.
With all these web based office suites popping up, I wonder if anybody needs these? It seems like a solution pushed onto us that nobody asked for. Everybody I know is still using MS Office or Libreoffice and everybody seems to agree that office on mobile devices sucks.
Real-time collaboration is fairly useful, you can have a videocall or meeting while discussing changes to a document and making them together
Good news! Unfortunately I'm not sold on having to have a bridge to access their email using Thinderbird, so I'm not subscribing Proton Unlimited "suite". Also no working Linux client for Proton Drive (rclone's is unmaintained and not working).
It is technically impossible at the moment to keep your emails end-to-end encrypted and not have to use a bridge for your client of choice. It will only be possible if your client of choice partners with Proton to integrate them, or if a standard for e2e encrypted emails pops up and both Proton and your client adopt it.
Wait, you can't access it via IMAP?
Yes!! I remember submitting feedback about this being a must have feature ages ago. Excited to get it
Amazing! I don't even remember seeing this on their road map. Caught me completely by surprise
Does if have FILTER, array formulas, spill zones, MAP, data tables, query engines, SQL engine etc etc?
To compete with Word: Easy. To compete with Excel: Very, very difficult (pretty much only Google Sheets have managed).
90% of users probably just need a glorified table with SUM
In a personal context, agreed. In a business context, I completely disagree. Analysts, finance, operations etc all have much more complex requirements.
They should have forked Onlyoffice, however I appreciate the effort to make their own from scratch.
It’s not competing with word, it’s competing with Google Sheets.
Google Sheets is competing with Excel. Proton Sheets is competing with Google Sheets. So Proton Sheets is competing with Excel.
I used Word as a comparative example to say that parts of the office/docs suite are easy to compete with (there’s only so may things a word processor can do), while others (like Google Sheets or Excel, whichever order you prefer) is incredibly difficult to compete with; a formatting error on import of a Word doc is acceptable. An unsupported formula ruins the entire thing.
Nobody is your friend... but at least proton isnt logging your data and selling ads into your inbox.... that's good enough for me...
Check your threat model... 90% of people arent doing direct action that needs protection from nation states.... and proton isnt big enough to protect you from nation states. (pretty sure they tell you that they have to comply with legal, swiss laws)
Stop trying to scare people into going back to gmail.... there will always be flaws in proton/tuta/whatever mail service....
Go try running your own email if you truly need perfect privacy and anonymity
100% agree with your take.
Why scare people looking to ditch google with stupid stuff like "but they complied with the government", bruh google complies with anyone who has their wallet in-hand.
ProtonMail is a free inbox and is privacy friendly. Yes there are other options, but this isn't a bad one by any means.
What's about Tuta? Is that good enough as protection?
No. The reasons the user gave against using ProtonMail are applicable to any and all commercial entities providing email service. It’s not even something you could accomplish yourself.
No email service can refuse to obey the law. None.
Proton is at least non-profit now.
this ia cool, but when proton tasks and proton notes
I've been using open / FOSS versions on Android and desktop for a while. Save those files to Proton Drive. The proton sheets variant needs to compete with those. Initial advantage will be the ability to view docs or spreadsheets natively rather than needing to download. Something Proton has actively NOT done when so many others have found it easy enough.
Why don't they fork Onlyoffice for this?
Because forking a buggy suite isn't always the best choice? If they have the ressources, and they do, making their own is best for everyone. More choices.
I haven't found any issues with it. The problem with making their own is that the MS Office file formats are purposefully poorly documented with the spec being over 6000 pages long and MS Office itself not adhering to it. It would be best to start with something where most of the work is done for them.
People are still using Protonmail when there’s Fastmail?
Why would someone use Fastmail when there’s protonmail?
Excited to try this out. Offical drive client for linux is the last thing I really need from my proton subscription.
Unusable unfortunately since they don't support anything other than US date format or currency.
I know this won't work the way I want it to. Excel has too many features that other spreadsheet apps just don't. But for many of my simple sheets I'll be glad to give this a go so I can easily access them and do so securely. I'm excited to try it.
I have tried a few sample spreadsheets and am very impressed so far. The only thing I can't access is the charts format editor. I can access selection of series and so on but there is no way to change chart colours - I have tried different browsers, OS and permissions but I only get the one editing tab. Is this not yet implemented (Lumo seems to think that it is) or am I doing something wrong?
Did proton fire Andy yet? Fucking Nazi bootlicker
Very excited for this. I only use simple spreadsheets so this is probably great for that.
This is amazing and a big step towards being a serious competitor to Google Drive! Keep up the good work!
Next step should be to offer individual inboxes for each e-mail account, instead of everything bundling into one single inbox in Proton Mail.
Most people use spreadsheets built by Big Tech, companies whose business model relies upon monetizing your data. Big Tech may even be a current or future competitor. They design their products to give them access to your information(new window). For example, Google has embedded its AI tool, Gemini, into Sheets. While it looks like a helpful data assistant, Google’s own support page(new window) warns you not to share anything confidential with Gemini since it could be read by reviewers or used to improve its AI. Google makes it hard to know exactly how small businesses’ data will be treated, but it defaults personal data into AI training. It has also left the door open to using companies data to train its AI if they give permission. And since most Big Tech companies are based in the US, they’re subject to weak data protection laws, opening the door to warrantless surveillance.
Yuck Google scanning your important files with AI.

S💔rry, scr🦆w Proton:
- They support greed-inducing society-eroding pyramid schemes.

Source: https://fosstodon.org/@stardust/112404108681755769 - They're pro Trump: https://fosstodon.org/deck/@Xavier@infosec.exchange/113835722660973690
- They consolidated their Mastodon account due to a "lack of resources", yet they're staying on GestapoX, yet they've the resources to build spreadsheet software. Bollocks. They consolidated because they couldn't take the heat of not being surrounded by sycophants.
Stop supporting greed-stricken spineless bastards.

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