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[–] 20 points 11 months ago

Yeah, let's pretend the vibe-coder creates praiseworthy code when everything is working...

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  • [+] 54 points 11 months ago (26 children)
  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'll be honest, I don't even call myself a software engineer. Programmer is the better way, engineering comes with the baggage of breing able to confirm that your work won't fall appart in the next X years. You can't really confirm that in software.

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  • [+] 17 points 11 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I half worry for society and half feel that as much as I feel bad about my coding abilities, I'm better than people who never actually bother learning the concepts themselves and fully outsource their homework to AI and that population is growing. It's a low bar but more people are failing to clear it every day!

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    The students themselves are doing it, it's not the commenter's fault.

    From the high school and university teachers I've talked to, AI is commonly used and it actively undermines their learning.

    It's a pretty new tech so many schools don't have a solid policy on its use. It's a mess

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    What an immature POV. A lot of engineers don’t have a science or math degrees

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Not having a degree doesn't mean they don't know math.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    we should deregulate hospitals, too

    You do realize that the term "software engineer" isn't regulated, right? There's no test, no license, no bar/board. Unlike doctors, who are required by law to have a medical license.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    They should. An engineering degree is literally a Bachelor of Science.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    I really don't get the point of gatekeeping a job title.

    There's no official license or certification for software engineering in the US, so anyone claiming you have to meet some requirement to call yourself a software engineer is factually wrong. Now, pretty much every tech company calls anyone who writes code some form of engineer, so much so that SDE/SWE is a pretty universal acronym.

    I really don't care personally, and I don't go around grouping myself in with other engineering fields. But for the past 7 or so years, my actual job title has had the word "engineer" in it despite the fact that I don't have a Bachelor's degree. I feel like jumping through hoops to say, "well, my official title is Software Engineer, but technically I'm a programmer" is just pedantic and probably more confusing for most people.

    I could see an argument for differentiating between those who participate heavily in the design and evolution of an entire codebase (as opposed to those who just pull tickets and write code), but even that has kind of just evolved into the junior/mid/senior/etc terminology.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    The P.Eng society is working on this, so that only actual engineers can use the title engineer. Software “engineers” should just be called code monkeys.

    It many countries, like Germany, engineer is a protected designation, just like doctor.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    The P.Eng society is working on this, so that only actual engineers can use the title engineer.

    Which is why I specified I was talking about the US. Also, fair. If the term ever actually has a clear set of requirements, then of course it would be incorrect to claim the title without meeting those requirements.

    Software “engineers” should just be called code monkeys.

    I hope you realize how elitist this comes across. I've worked with a lot of contractors, web developers, etc. that have a strong understanding of software development and are able to author software really well. I would be so embarrassed if they knew I referred to them as "code monkeys". Something tells me that you're the kind of person I'm very grateful to have never had the misfortune of working with.

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    [–] [S] -2 points 10 months ago

    I guess I should have made a meme out of the short vid. +4-10... :/ ... why's this programmer humor not being well received? ... too many ai coders in denial and not liking being exposed? ;D

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