I know this is a tankie instance so I didn't downvote but I'm surprised again and again how ignorant tankies are about the concept of prefiguration or "unity of means and ends" or "building the new in the shell of the old" or what ever you want to call it. It's not about the state vanishing over night but about building a dual power that will fight the authority of the state. It's the same type of people who say anarchists can't read that have no idea about actual anarchist theory. Do better. Leave this strawman behind. It never was true and didn't age well.
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Guys stop killing eachother while we still do have a common enemy.
The meme Is correct since that Isnt anarchism, there Is a real anarchism wich Is very good.
Ik this Is a marxist instance but real communists dont fight anarchists, since actual anarchist have the same goals as them
Yeah
What Is the right choice...well depends
Sincerely idk, both work and have worked without a problem, on different scales of course
Yes marxism Is more common and i know that in marxism there isnt a sudden change so It does appeal to more people
Well they both have been tested and affirmed but marxism has done a Mich bigger impact
Btw saw your post on theory and thank you very much since i really Needed something like that
Ty :)
@bubblybubbles Tankies do hate anarchists.
@bubblybubbles "...in the Russia of to-day it is not at all necessary to express your dissension in word or act to become subject to arrest; the mere holding of opposing views makes you the legitimate prey of the de facto supreme power of the land, the Tcheka, that almighty Bolshevik Okhrana, whose will knows neither law nor responsibility."1922marxists.org/reference/archive
If you think anarchists are controllwd by the cia and designed to split the left. Why, instead of playing to there cards, dont we work with them for the parts we agree on e.g. a revolution.
We ALREADY live in a do nothing state, where private and foreign interests just YOLO across us with no state to advocate for us.
This is wrong. We have a strong police force. Take squatting for example. The anarchist view would be, if you don't use a house in any form, it isn't yours anymore and someone else can take it. The neoliberal police state will force you out of it. The state enforces private and foreign interests. You can't tell me that ICE is a sign of a do nothing state to take another example.
What is your understanding of what a state is? Because correct me if I'm wrong, I don't live in the US, but ICE and police in general is funded by tax money, right?
What tankies and anarchists will agree on is that liberal states, like the US, work in the interest in the ruling class which is capitalists. It's always about the rich, always has been.
What anarchists want isn't the abolition of the state – period – but the abolition of all hierarchies, including capitalism and private firms (and obviously all states, including Bolshevik ones). Anarcho capitalism is an oxymoron.
Anarchists both:
- Oppose all authority.
- Are also CIA agents.
Another solid piece of logic from the red fascists.
Its because anarchism isn’t seen as a valid threat or opposition to the US empire and because of it’s ineffectiveness against capitalism, the CIA/FBI can use the promotion of anarchism to split the left, silence revolutionary activity, and attack Marxist-Leninism, an actual working ideology. People that claim to be anarchists who take it upon themselves either in real life or online to bash “tankies”, AES states, etc are doing the current state’s work for free.
red fascists
Deeply unserious term and proves my point lmao
I appreciate your response mate, I read through what you linked and I'm disappointed by its lack of depth and missing historical analysis but I enjoyed how it was written. What's your take on Rojava today? Seems like a good, real life, counter point.
Here’s an article with an analysis on Rojava that shows its not a good, real life, counter point.
That was a much better read, still very much digesting it so I wont share my opinion yet. Thanks for the link 😁 got any foundational books that better asserts the necessities of a Vanguard party? I suppose anarchism is an easy punching bag but I'm yet to be fully convinced of the political side of marxist-leninism despite being fully commie-pilled economically.
Yeah as we can see Rojava is a state and as far as states go imo doesn’t deserve undying support. My solidarity lies with the people of the region in their struggle against imperialism, not in the leadership’s ideals and use of authority.
For questions about the vanguard and why socialism is a better proven model both politically and economically I recommend State and Revolution by Lenin.
If you would be curious what decentralization looks like under a Socialist state, this video explains Vietnam’s recent government restructure to allow for more self-regional control in it progression towards communism and the “withering away” of the state.
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