While lithium extraction technologies generally focus on ways to get the essential metal out of the ground, there's another source to mine: existing batteries that no longer work. A new technique could now make that process economically viable.

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[–] 77 points 11 months ago (1 child)

I have a hard time believing it's cheaper than from my local lithium guy.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    That's the advantage of sourcing it locally, of course. I have a feeling these guys have gamified lithium collection through an app like uber or grubhub or airbnb, ultimately taking all the advantage we once had for simply being local...

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    Idk where they got the picture from but 4300mah in aa size would be insane. Thats like 2.5 times as much capacity as how much the best ones provide currently.

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  • [–] 42 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Was gonna say maybe they're 18650s but it Def says AA on them. I'm gonna go with it's a made up / AI-generated image

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    In case anyone’s curious: it is likely a cell wrapper misprint/typo.

    4300mWh AA lithium ion cells are a standard extended-life chemistry. 2866 mAh is their actual rated capacity.

    Edit: 2866 x 1.5 = 4,300

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    There are plenty of cells that size over 3000mah.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The highest capacity one that is properly commercially available is the vapcell f15 which is known for quality control issues. Its advertised capacity is 1500mah but multiple sources measured it at an actual usable capacity of 1250-1350.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    illini pride:

    Enter the new technique from scientists at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign. There, a team led by chemical and biomolecular engineering professor Xiao Su, has been spending time disassembling batteries and then submerging them in an organic solvent. This leads to a brine that contains lithium as well as other metals present in the batteries.

    To harvest the lithium, the team developed a special electrode created from a copolymer consisting of molecules that attach to lithium and those that respond to an electrical current. When placed inside the brine and electrified, it sucked only lithium from the solution like a sponge, leaving other metals behind.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    "A new technique could now make that process economically viable."

    That reminds me of that Tumblr post about Aperture Science celebrating pride month.

    "Congratulations Earth, your survival just became Economically Viable™ "

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
    [–] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That means battery prices will be coming down, right? Right?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Question is does that $12.70/kg figure include sourcing the spent batteries?

    Great news, but would be curious to know if the figures are apples to apples, or if one of them excludes cost of the raw material.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Note when the article made the comparison, it seemingly sourced the comparative figure independently, not the scientists. So the scientists may be in good faith describing 'incremental cost to take presumed existing battery material and recover lithium from it' and article trying it's best but not thinking things through presents "number that would implicitly include processing, but also cost of acquiring the raw material as well'. So no one may be trying to 'hide' something, but still the comparison is somewhat flawed.

    Just seeing how even if everything is being honestly presented, we may still be in a position where mined lithium is still cheaper than recycled even as all the figures suggest that shouldn't be the case at face value.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    As long as the cost is lower than mining it from the ground, I think other gaps can be overcome, especially where batteries already have their own logistic waste path. Though I guess it also depends on scale required to get that cost. If it's something that can be set up at any waste facility, sourcing might be close to "free", as in it might just require a redirection of what's currently done. I don't think it even needs to be cheaper than mined lithium, since there's other costs associated with that, like environmental.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Right, a lot of questions that are frankly outside the scope of their specific work, since it depends on what the general 'market' is for used batteries today and if there's any opportunity cost associated with the process (e.g. you can get the lithium, but you somehow make retrieving other materials tough.

    But yeah, if the $13.17 figure is, say, $3.17 raw lithium and extraction and $10 of 'processing', then the cost of spent batteries would have to be less than $0.77/kg by lithium content to be break-even.

    I'm hopeful that even nearly break even is enough to move the needle, but companies love taking advantage of cheaping out by inflicting externalized costs on the environment...

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    [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    If this truly works, that would be fantastic news, but getting clean lithium out of a used battery that has been degraded and the lithium has become contaminated sounds extremely complicated, so I'm still a bit skepical on the feasibility of it.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The process honestly sounds to me a little bit like decaffeination, which also feels like witchcraft to me. So it might work!

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    We can power the country on vape pen lithium.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Not related directly to the article, which I found interesting, but I'd never heard of this website before and there seems to be many great articles on it! Another website to follow for me!

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    [–] 43 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The cost will come down further with scale. The great thing about that is that dead lithium batteries will have value, so people will be much less inclined to throw them in the trash or dump them elsewhere

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  • [–] 51 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Marginally lower cost over 500 possible cycles under ideal conditions… this does not take into account other pollutants it may cause or the human element. Still, very positive as a total, as this is a resource a way hitherto untapped (unless you count risky social media innovatives who almost burn up their homes making lithium batteries from vapes and whatnot).

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Mining costs are probably subject to more increases, as things get harder to access and environmental laws tighten.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Without this kind of progress described (meaning reutilising, refining or reprocessing lithium), mining might become even more brutal to keep costs down for investors and corporate buyers, but remain ever more expensive for consumers.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago*

    What's more, the researchers say the method is much more affordable than other battery-based lithium-harvesting techniques, costing about US$12.70 per kilogram of lithium recovered.

    Indeed, according to Daily Metal Prices, lithium costs $13.17 per kilo on the open market as of the time of writing. So this method actually comes out cheaper than just buying the stuff.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

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