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[–] 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah was at least 9 months ago back in March 2025:

    Diplomacy dies on live TV as Trump and Vance gang up to bully Ukraine leader

    https://lemmy.world/post/26176375

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    back in March 2025:

    This was one of the several disasters that shook the Transatlantic relationship.( Nato Top, Tariffs, Mineral deal and the cancellation of Ukrainian aid are other examples). Europeans have tried to mend the rift and some believed it was (somewhat) working.

    But since this week and after the latest "scandal", it's become clear to all memberstates, beyond doubt, that Trump's interests lie completely elsewhere.

    It's not easy to change a relationship, it's structures and institutions which have stood for at least 70 -80 years.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    Good summary and imo correctly nuanced views of where Europe has landed geopolitically this week.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Its not about the people but the amount of weapons available.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The newspaper has to try to get its clicks. This is why they keep repeating the same stories over and over again, acting each time like it's the first that anyone has ever heard of the situation...

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    Ironically with the Fediverse crowd, they would do far better to be genuine.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You didn't read the article did you? It's really good and not like your description in the slightest.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Well I was focusing chiefly on the title but the article itself isn't entirely unlike my description either.

    Once again blind-sided by Trump, European leaders read paragraph after paragraph of the US proposal with a mixture of disbelief and panic.

    It is not like Trump won the election yesterday, or that he was President for 4 years previously. Feel free to be shocked... but (hopefully) not that shocked.

    Then the article ends with a very pointed:

    But Europe has vowed to get its act together so often. Inertia, not Russia, may have become its own worst enemy.

    Which seems somehow familiar...

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago*

    Europe's west, after 4 years, is finally waking up to the fact that Russia is not just waging war against Ukraine but in fact preparing another war on the rest of Europe. The digital attacks have moved on to outright sabotage via arson and bombing as well as drones in major EU cities. Only now are they beginning to understand the extent of the problems they face because they didn't prepare for Trump either.

    If Western Europe doesn't switch to a war economy to start producing weapons, artillery, and drones en masse, training soldiers and preparing civilians for war (both mental, physical and digital), they will be caught nearly unprepared for a Russian invasion and a capitulation of Ukraine.

    If Ukraine wins the war with the dismal contributions of Europe, we will be very very lucky to have bet on Ukraine's ferocity and Russia's inability to keep a war economy alive long enough.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago*

    As an outside observer: the problem seems to be footgunning-by-vote?

    Take the recent, supposedly uncontroversial measure to use seized Russian assets for stuff: the whole thing was torpedoed by some technicality from Belgium. And that’s constantly what I hear from Euro news; Hungary vetoes this, France torches buildings over taxes hikes for military, Germany is up to stuff, some transient right wing prime minister rejects that, no one wants to stick their necks out to save some industry. Things like that.

    Y’all need a federal system, bad. Obviously learn from the mistakes of the US, Russia and such, but still.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Europe should have weaned ourselves off America decades ago.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The transatlantic alliance has served the interests of its members very well for decades, right up until this administration.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    2017-2018 should have been the wakeup call, considering Trump was openly treating NATO as a protection racket in his first term. The EU didn't take it seriously enough at the time, and now we're paying the price for trying to ride it out instead of preparing from that point.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Again/still/it really took you this long??

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