Thank fuck
Hopefully he wins the general
Thank fuck
Hopefully he wins the general
The fact that Clinton endorsed Cuomo is the cherry on top.
When do you think they'll realize their name is poisonous? Or would that require more introspection than a Clinton is even capable of?
I'm suspicious that sociopaths are a parasitic subspecies. Like there are these alien creatures that look entirely human walking around among us. They look like us, talk like us, but think that the general human species is inferior to their own.
What if they could identify other sociopaths, and were working in concert. Hmm, this is ridiculous.
Anyway, yeah. I don't think Clinton is capable of that level of introspection.
I'm suspicious that sociopaths are a parasitic subspecies.
That's an interesting perspective. I wouldn't go so far as to dehumanise them, though. I think they're just another type of human — that's particularly well adapted at fucking shit up in such a way that they, and potentially their ingroup, come out on top.
It's a highly unfortunate type of person of course and a very likely cause for the premature death of our biosphere if it comes to that.
Evolution - at a species level or a societal level - has no "guiding hand". It throws shit at a wall to see what sticks, and the best-adapted variants tend to propagate.
Selfish behavior is very powerful in a large and strong society where most people are producing more value than they're consuming. There's so much wealth to be found that if you don't care about the enemies you make, you can just jump from victim to victim as you amass power faster tab the people you leave behind. The problem is, this drives the society towards no longer being one of such surplus.
In a smaller society where people are largely just surviving, selfish behavior will cripple your own ability to survive. If everybody has only a modest surplus, they only want to share it with people they can trust to return the favor when they're the one in need. If you make enemies with everyone in a small community, you're going to have a hard time finding community support.
If the sexual predators coalition had won this thing the party might have collapsed. So this is good for the party and the city.
This is why ranked choice has been banned in a lot of places. It breaks the duopoly.
The election here was the Democratic primary. It didn't cut the Democrats out of the loop.
Democrats hate progressives. The two would be separate parties in a sensible democracy, but in the legacy first-past-the-post American system, splitting the party while Republicans exist is political suicide. There are more progressives than center Democrats, but they are not as united as the core establishment Democrats are, which made any one of them irrelevant in primaries up to now. RCV has given them a real chance for the first time. For example by giving Lander votes to Mamdani in the instant runoff. The moment RCV got implemented, long-serving Democrats started suddenly getting kicked out in the primaries. This terrifies them, so Democrats will continue to fight against RCV in the future. Just look how both Cuomo and Adams will try to commit political murder-suicide now by running as independent in the general just so that the "official Democratic party nominee" would not win.
At least RCV is a single and measurable cause to ralley around. I feel like public pressure tends to be more effective when focused on causes such as these.
Democrats hate progressives
Democrats hate socialists. Their job is to ensure that the leftward fringe of the party, and of acceptable mainstream discourse, never moves past progressive/social democracy. The Democratic Party serves capital by ensuring a neutered American left
Hopefully this can be changed
TBF it's possible that RCV created an incentive for Democrats to nominate a better candidate. They're smarter than they look.
I suspect that a party that ran a ranked choice primary to select a candidate for a FPTP election would have an advantage over an opposing party that didn't. I haven't got the math or statistics to back it up, but everything I've read about ranked choice discouraging scorched earth politics sounds like it would be healthy in a primary.
"Nearly a quarter of early voters had not voted in a Democratic primary at any point between 2012 and 2024."
https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-primary-results-2025-election
Here you go folks- GET INVOLVED! Go vote! Every single election, especially primaries.
If this election was held in 2023, you have to wonder if the outcome would have been wildly different.
For once, an encouraging sign for sanity and common sense.
Yeah, that's what we all thought when Biden won.
I called the 2024 election when Biden won in 2020. He was a shitty corporate centrist candidate who was never going to address our deep structural inequality, and so frustrated uneducated people voted for change in 2024. Obama won 2008 because people wanted "Change". Trump won 2016 to drain the swamp. We're all so sick of this crony corporate bullshit.
Socialists or we lose. It should've been obvious all along that the "centrists" and "Libertarians" are just embarrassed Republicans. America has been sick and tired of corporations overtly ruling for decades and moderates don't want to own that.
Voters weren't scared of a dictatorship on day one by a guy quoting Hitler. And at this point, they aren't scared of socialism, not anymore. The only way we win elections is by supporting candidates who are actually good. Even if a moderate wins this election, they'll lose us the next election and the good half will be undone. We can only discount the value of the next election iff our candidate will address our broken elections.
TL;DR: Socialists or we lose.
The crazy thing is that nothing will change unless someone takes control to stop the corporate-controlled stalemate that runs our society. The far right is awful, and the fact that they are the only ones capable of getting it done is probably the most terrifying notion this country has experienced in my lifetime. It's just going to be splitting all the wealth with another group of nerdy billionaire assholes and making a worse gov. I just want to wake up and realize it's a nightmare.
How did the swamp draining go?
explodicle didn't mention Trump running on draining the swamp because they believed he would do that or because they support Trump in any way. The point (very clearly) is that even people as uneducated, uninformed, and oblivious as MAGAts can tell that there is something very wrong about how America was being ran, and even they wanted something to change. The fact that Trump lied about draining the swamp and the fact that his intentions was to bring in a sewer to replace it is irrelevant. The fact that they were naive to believe him is irrelevant.
The point is that most of us want actual change, not centrist corporate stooges like Biden and Harris. Whether the people put their faith in the wrong ones to change things in the past is beside the point.
And no, the fact that people showed up in record numbers to vote for Biden in 2020 does not prove this trend is incorrect. At that point Biden was a significant change from Trump in the eyes of many people. He deceived people that he was going to be significantly different in the same way Trump did.
If you are still confused try reading the TL:DR again, "Socialists or we lose." They were 1000% not expecting Trump to actually drain the swamp.
Judging by our last conversation where you blamed the people who voted for Harris for Trump getting elected, this nuance is going to fly right over your head. The fact that you took a comment calling for people to vote for socialist candidates as someone supporting Trump pretty clearly shows you aren't the sharpest potato in the sack.
I also know you are a pro-capitalist, anti-socialist, corporate boot-licker, so it's no surprise people calling for socialist candidates to be elected is against your ideals and you would like to muddy the waters as much as you can, but I think it's clear to everyone you aren't arguing in good faith.
You proving me right in 3...2...1...
That is irrelevant to their point and such blatant deflection makes you look immature.
Yeah I didn’t think that. Biden was a bandaid that let the wound fester.
Sure would be nice if this is a sign of things to come
Mamdani destroyed Cuomo in the first round of RCV, when it was expected to be much closer. This gives me a hesitant hope that nationally the voters want real change within the Democratic party. Let's just hope this isn't a fluke, and the technofascists have really awoken a huge progressive voting bloc.
The squad was born in the original Trump administration so it shouldn't be that surprising to see a return of these kinds of progressive candidates.
Fingers crossed, but give us rank choice voting or I fear the progressive bloc will not be obvious
That's why there's such fervent pushback against any RCV proposals across the country (from both sides of the duopoly). Many places have already outlawed it because they see it would actually affect real change, and they just can't have a challenge to their financial streams and power.
So you don't have to spend millions on a liberal Joe Rogan, or attack trans people, or support genocide to win a race in America? God damn, that's incredible!
I'm very happy to hear this news. Genuinely one of the best news I've heard all year round. Maybe there is a sliver of hope.
I have seen articles saying that a Zohran win would force the Democratic Party to face change, and acknowledge the rising progressive movement. Let's see if they accept the changes, or they fight against it. I suspect they'll fight, but if other elections start moving left, they'll be forced to change.
The next big test will be the mid-term primaries. Hopefully, this win will encourage progressives to run, and hopefully they'll win enough primary races to become a serious threat, especially against Establishment Dems.
And I hope one of them is AOC primarying Chuck Schumer. That spineless, whining bitch has got to go. He holds a lot of the blame for the rise of MAGA.
I keep writing my reps about how much I approve of Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez, and I'll now mention Zohran too!
I live in a blue state near NY. Im tired of the Dem party not backing actual progressive candidates.
Let your reps know how much you approve of their messages! We need hope!
Will it force the Democratic voters to finally show up to vote? That's the main question.
My mid-20s son is energized for the first time. He's been voting all along, but he's been very unmotivated by his choices. This is the first time I've seen him excited to vote (for Zohran).
We are finally seeing progressives, especially YOUNG progressives reaching their breaking point. They are justifiably pissed off at the establishment Democrats who are complicit in the rise and dominance of MAGA, and they are determined to make a change. They fully believe that their futures depend on it, and they now understand that they will get absolutely no help from the Establishment Dems. They know it's up to them to sculpt their own future at the ballot box.
Give them candidates that they can believe in, like Zohran, and Young Progressives will come out big.
Middle age progressives have been pissed off since 2009 or so, when Congress scraped the public option from the ACA. We won a few victories (yay marriage equality) but the ghouls can lie, like they lied about keeping roe. So they will keep winning until they are met with honest people willing to change the system.
Socialism or lose.
Middle age progressives didn't vote for Bernie twice. Is it because they're actually small in numbers or is it because they are pissed but don't channel this energy into anything? I let you to decide which is worse.
yeah, middle aged progressive here. I can't tell you how jazzed I am to see Cuomo take up his new job of Gently Used Airport Scarecrow. I really hope the establishment is seeing the writing on the wall.
Give them
Again with this passive shit. Nobody is supposed to give you anything, it's politics, people present their worldview and gather votes of those who agree. Regressive democrats vote, progressive don't, that's why you are "given" candidates you generally see. If you want to see better candidates, vote for better candidates.
It pisses me off for no end, you go to any lefty space, all that you see is perpetual "voting is pointless, don't vote, I voted once 20 years ago and look what it brought us, you should firebomb wallmarts instead. By the way, why all the candidates that win are so bad, it's like they don't listen to us".
I don't mean to blunt your enthusiasm, but this was just a primary election, so only registered Democrats were voting here. So a much different demographic than 51 separate Presidential elections. But still, it's a sign that the voters in the city are fed up with the politics-as-usual the party is force-feeding them.
There are a lot more Democrats than Republicans there, though, so this should give him the inside track for the job, especially if Cuomo backs down from his threat to run Independant. (I think he knows that if he did that, he will never win an endorsement from any other Democrat, ever, so that may give him pause.) Adams is running as an independant, but I think the city is done with him. Curtis Sliwa is the Republican nominee, but he hasn't been relevant since the 80s and 90s, and is kind of a cartoon now.
You are way understating his odds at winning the general.
Your implicit argument that so-called "centrist" Democrats are better at winning purple states because voters all exist along a simple left to right spectrum is absolutely wrong. The people in this country are fed up and they want revolution. Republicans offered it, and Democrats didn't. The rightward lurch was just an artifact of people rationalizing their vote and conforming to the stereotype on offer.
One big excuse the Democratic establishment gave was that the world is in an anti-incombancy mood. That's a correct observation, but what is really happening is the death of neoliberalism everywhere. The one big outlier to the trend was Mexico where an aging male President successfully handed the reigns over to his protege, a younger woman. The difference is, they were progressives. Mexico is also arguably a more religiously conservative country than America.
The wonky framing of the US electorate has been the standard Democratic perspective for decades. It's what led to the income inequality we have now. It's what led to Trump, and the complete routing of Democrats in both federal and state governments. For the love of God, wake up already.
The Democrats don't win because they aren't real people, they are characters on TV that people are sick of. Neoliberalism drains the blood and passion that people want to see in leadership. Republicans have it, and Democrats don't. It's past time that changed.
You just have to ignore all polls and vote with your conscience. The polls were clearly bullshit imo. All the chatter completely ignoring everyone but Adams and Cuomo were bullshit.
Yes you do. I hate to be a pessimist, but Trump and all he’s doing is a major contributor souring people about extremists and establishment. If Harris had won, I don’t think this would have been the outcome because people wouldn’t be nearly as riled up about politics, in general.
When rumpy won in 2016, after my initial shock I thought, well maybe he will make it so bad, we will collectively be forced to see the truth, forced to come together and actually have a positive change for the working people.
I didnt know then, that I'd be fearing for the loss of democracy as a whole in 2025, but I think my initial thought still stands.
Maybe this wouldn't be the outcome if Harris won, but if the silver lining is people start paying attention, I'm happy for it.
Looks like the lower income is the Bronx and a bit of Brooklyn. Higher income is Manhattan and the Brooklyn/queens riverfront. The middle income map is more like what I'd expect to see overall based on the neighborhoods. More Cuomo for Staten Island/False New Jersey as well as east Brooklyn/Queens/Don't call it Long Island (even though they act like Nassau county is out in the country). There's a bunch of conservative, racist pricks that insist on NYC being the greatest (so they're definitely part of it) but off in homeowning urban areas pissed that they're making suburb money but paying urban prices. All while refusing to enjoy the fun parts of the city because they don't like the people there.
It's makes you want to cry or throw a big shiny round bomb in someone's gilded carriage. One of those two.
It depends where the cut off is. But there's a lot of educated people that fall into the higher income category that all too aware what rampant poverty and inequality can do to cause instability. His policies might not benefit them the most but it would still benefit them in some way.
> stupid, barely democratic election system
> only assholes and morons get elected
> change to a sensible system
> an actual representative of the common people gets elected
> mfw
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