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We are communists precisely because we live under capitalism (lemmy.ml)
submitted 11 months ago by to c/communism@lemmy.world
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[–] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This meme seems… forced. (1) No one really asks that question, (2) the premise that only people in capitalist countries want communism is false, and (3) no Marxist worth their salt would answer this way.

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    • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    What with all of the communist related posts lately? I’m seeing lately this amount of memes and posts that I haven’t seen in last 10 years.

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    • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    We always say "the grass is always greener on the other side".

    Communism things the same about capitalism.

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    [+] -8 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    I'm no fan of the way democracy/capitalism is currently practiced but I've also never seen a successful communist country, are people just fascinated by the theory of communism, if it can't work in practice then how is it better than democracy / capitalism, we need a system that can defend against the worst of us, not some ideal system that only functions when everyone in it is expected to also be a good person, cause that's never gonna happen

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Is USAmerica(worlds largest superpower) a successful capitalist country?
    Is slavery and Eps stuff a success?
    Success would need to be defined then, right?

    And your notions on everyone having to be perfect seems to be wrong. The main basis of Communism is who owns the means of production and the level of development. The minority of the ultrawealthy in capitalism vs the majority of the regular people in communism.
    Also, capitalist planning that focuses on profit and externalises social cost vs general planning that thinks about the 'externalised stuff'.

    And if you want to go deeper into critiques of capitalism and why we need to plan beyond that, I think looking up aspects like the crisis of overproduction and the tendency of the falling rate of profit might be good.
    Others here maybe better able to explain more on that.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    How many communist countries have you seen?

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Probably not enough, care to share any countries I should look into

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Listen man, just look into the histories of countries that have had communist revolutions, look at what changed after, and look at why they failed. Often times they improved the lives of the working class, and then were destroyed by capitalist interests. There’s outliers like Cambodias Khmer Rouge and Romanias Chowchesku (I’m not going to even try spelling his name correctly) but you have to remember that history and context matter, and that communism is still just an ideology that has differing effects based on execution and the external forces putting pressure on these countries. It was called the Cold War, not the Cold Everybody Try Shit and we will see what works. Capitalist interests had already been deeply entrenched in world economics and power before communism began to take any meaningful positions of power during the Industrial Revolution, and all of these contexts, interests, and events matter.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    As I said such negative external and internal forces will always exist, if your ideology can't stand against it in practice then it only works in theory. I wish things were different, but I'm not gonna pretend all the answers lie in this sole other system, people need to learn what they can from communism and apply that to a different system that could stand a chance

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    In other words “no, I will not put in the effort to learn the history and nuance of the way our society works, I’d rather just repeat shallow propaganda I heard and declare myself king genius of alwaysrightville.” Got it.

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    [+] -6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    That thought is so so shallow...

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