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Trump shares the message he receives from NATO leader Mark Rutte (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is so poorly written I have no idea if it's sarcasm or not.

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    • [–] 100 points 1 year ago (46 children)

    This can't be real

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Things I'd want to know before deciding for myself whether the screenshot montage is real, regardless of whether Trump shared it (he did):

    • Have we seen other screenshots where Trump use enormous font sizes? Is that how bigger system text looks in this app? He's not exactly youthful, so it's no great surprise, but worth asking the question.
    • Is it realistic that Trump or an aide would have screenshotted the entire message within two minutes of it being received?
    • Does this messaging app routinely display the contact name offset and the profile image vertically cropped? What app is it?
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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Don't know about any of it, but I've had Rutte as my prime minister.
    This reads like the way he talks and thinks.
    The biggest strength of Rutte is that he's a chameleon,
    so there's no telling what he actually thinks,
    but considering his party allegiance it's pro-NATO through and through.

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  • [–] 99 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    Real tweet, fake text... no way any NATO leader would say "Europe is going to pay BIG" it's just too Trump. Same with the incessant comma splices.

    But big congrats to Trump for ruining the information space so completely that I genuinely cannot tell what's real anymore.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm sure EVERY European politician randomly CAPITALISES words like some LUNATIC

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I don't believe this is real, but the all caps words aren't random. They're clearly for emphasis, the same kinds of words I might capitalize for effect. That is not really the unbelievable aspect of this scenario.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    AP is reporting this as real

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I would love and hate to see proof that Mark Rutte really texted this to Trump.

    The "Truth" post is 100% real, inarguably, but I haven't seen anyone reporting the picture is of a real message from Rutte to Trump.

    E: never mind that is... apparently Rutte's office has confirmed the message is really from Rutte????

    ?????

    I need to go lie down.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    I can tell you as a Dutchman, reading this I could hear Mark Rutte's voice and it aligns with his anglophile suck-up character.
    I couldn't see him writing it any other way.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    This is Mark Rutte.
    He would totally say “Europe is going to pay in a BIG way” to flatter Trump.
    Incessant comma splices is I guess typically Dutch and indicative to the way Rutte talks. I sometimes do it too.
    He's a liberal, making him almost as right-wing as Ursula von der Leyen, not a social democrat
    or a democratic socialist or left of that.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    It's entirely expected, not sure why you're in disbelief.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It reads like something Trump wrote about himself. He's done that kind of bullshit before.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Ran a quick search and multiple well established news outlets are reporting this.

    I’m afraid it is.

    The wording does seem very out of character for Rutte but it makes sense that he feels the need to stoop to Trump’s level and overdo the flattering.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    Really?
    I'd say it hits it completely on point the way Rutte is, an anglophile that doesn't want to rustle too many feathers unless it's against leaders of countries outside of NATO.

    His party is super-pro-Israel and super-anti-Russia.
    What's he gonna complain about?

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  • [+] -38 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Another .ml telling lies. There are only reports on this from bullshit sources. There are no major sources currently reporting this.

    Care to share your “multiple well established sources” or should we just take your word for it?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Come on you can't be this moronic.

    It's on the official trump account on his crap social media, you need BBC to show this link to you?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You really think people would go online and lie? Just because he posted it does not make it a real text. It does appear to be genuine though, but don't just trust things cause someone said/posted it

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Everyone can lie, even if Rutte said that the print is false he could also be lying(but they confirm that this is real). The point is, Trump actually post this shit, don't need to be a fucking moron and say "Another .ml telling lies"

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  • [+] -30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    This is not real and does not belong in “World News”

    It is posted by and primarily upvoted by .ml users.

    Don’t fall for their bullshit.

    Looking further into it you can see that almost every post in “World News” is from .ml users. They are very anti-western everything but post western “news” heavily in communities. I wonder why?

    Furthermore they are brigading comments in this thread. Don’t believe me, just look at the upvote/downvote activity for comments here.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    This is Lemmy.ml's World News community. Lemmy.ml users are not brigading their own World News community, lmao. The large proportion of Marxists on Lemmy.ml does lead to an anti-western bias, if you want a pro-western bias there are other World News communities like on Lemmy.world.

    If you have proof that it's fake I would like to see it, but this is a real truth social post from Trump even if he's lying.

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  • [+] -21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Proof that it’s fake?

    How about you provide proof that it’s real? I still see no sources other than what .ml users say. Is that how y’all operate just parrot each other and blindly believe?

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago*

    Here's France 24 reporting on it. Trump posted the tweet, it looks like, whether he made it up or not isn't yet known. Neither option would be unsurprising. Not sure what your bone to pick with Lemmy.ml is. Plus, you made the authoritative claim that it's fake, if you suspect it's fake then just say that, don't pretend you have definitive proof if you don't.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    This is not real

    Don’t fall for their bullshit.

    It turns out that—as usual—it is real.

    It is posted by and primarily upvoted by .ml users.

    Looking further into it you can see that almost every post in “World News” is from .ml users.

    !worldnews@lemmy.ml is a lemmy.ml community. Why wouldn’t we be posting and voting in our own community on our own instance?

    They are very anti-western everything but post western “news” heavily in communities. I wonder why?

    “The reason I use western sources when possible is because those are the only sources that western liberals tend to accept.”

    Furthermore they are brigading comments in this thread. Don’t believe me, just look at the upvote/downvote activity for comments here.

    Yes, we’re “brigading” our own community on our own instance 🙄

    On a related note, how is your vote manipulation report coming along[1][2]? Given your trivially disprovable accusations here, I predict it will be more of the same.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    It will never not be funny that these people care so much about fake internet points, and think other people care about those internet points enough to ??? follow them around and downvote them?? Downvote lots of comments at once?? In a way that is somehow different from normal browsing behavior??

    Like they're not even tallied here like they are in the bad place, I genuinely don't get it. Please drop the word bRiGaDiNg from your lexicon, I promise that absolutely nothing will change except you'll be slightly less online and much better off for it. Sometimes you will get downvoted, and that's okay. The world is not out to get you, even if it has a scary .ml next to its name and practices obscure forms of witchcraft like dialectical materialism.

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    • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    obviously, I doubt Rutte was expecting this message to be shared. If he wasn't a complete moron and actually doing this just to stroke his own ego, I'd actually give Donald props for leaking it, as Rutte kissing Donald's ass makes him look terrible, and more broadly makes the European parts of NATO look terrible.

    I imagine Rutte's intent is to stroke Trump's ego to try and keep him interested in NATO, but I feel like that's a fool's errand. Trump doesn't give a shit about anyone else but himself. This new agreement, with NATO signatories needing to commit 5% of their GDP, feels like a grift for the benefit of U.S. defense contractors. The U.S. cannot be trusted to actually honor their agreements anymore, so why pay more into their alliance? Is Europe really that scared of further Russian aggression?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Well Rutte's job is basically to keep NATO together, can't blame him for trying. Personally I would not be sad if NATO chucked the US and told them to pack their bases all around Europe and go home. But I understand Rutte's position.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I'd love it if that happened, but that would also mean the dissolution of NATO, so I don't see why NATO would motion to kill itself voluntarily.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (9 children)

    NATO could very well exist without the US in it. It's not like the other members can trust the US to help at this point.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    NATO with 0 US arms or millitary power wouldn't be nearly as effective. The EU could have its own treaty, but it would be entirely limited in capability.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Certainly, it would be more limited in capability on paper, but now they have a big member who likes bossing the others around and is also a huge liability. Losing that would be a serious win.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    The US has always been at the helm of NATO. The US Empire is the reason NATO exists, the EU is thoroughly vassalized and subservient to the US. If the US was kicked out of NATO (lol), NATO would crumble, and the EU would be forced to either trade more with Russia or China to make up for the utter loss of their position in the western imperial system. The EU cannot stand on its own, it depends on imperialism, and currently relies on the US sphere of influence to perpetuate itself.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah yeah, US exceptionalism much? You would be surprised how little Europe depends on the US, but as you imply, it's become an abusive relationship that Europe needs to get out. Russia is no alternative for the US. The reason Europe needs to sever ties with the US is that it has become too much like Russia. China? Yes Europe does a lot of business with China already, that is not about to change.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    The EU is fully dependent on the modern system of US Imperialism. They move in lock-step with US interests at a geopolitical level. This isn't US exceptionalism, the US is the global Hegemon but at the same time it's also decaying and dying. The US is not at all like Russia, the US depends entirely on international exploitation while Russia depends on internal exploitation and their own domestic production.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think you vastly overestimate the imporance of the US. And yes recently, with Trump the US is turning in on itself to become more like Russia. It breaks with allies, alienates trading partners and isolates and inpoverishes its own population. Its position as a hegemon is crumbling to dust rapidly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    The US is still the hegemon, and unlike Russia it doesn't have a developed industrial base, Russia does relatively fine just trading with its own trading partners, but the US is decaying rapidly as a consequence of the failings of imperialism. The EU isn't far behind the US either in a race to crumbling.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    This new agreement, with NATO signatories needing to commit 5% of their GDP, feels like a grift for the benefit of U.S. defense contractors. The U.S. cannot be trusted to actually honor their agreements anymore, so why pay more into their alliance? Is Europe really that scared of further Russian aggression?

    They're massively investing in European defense industry, not just buying more from the US. They are scared of Russian aggression and they are scared the US will not honor NATO agreements which is why they're committing so hard to defense spending. Also, I believe it's 3.5% for military and 1.5% for infrastructure.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    False. Europe is spending big money on American weapons. The independence story was only an excuse to get more money.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-defence-firms-chase-european-military-spending-wave-2025-06-18/

    As for the Russia story, nice to see Red Scare works as good as in America when they dismantled their healthcare for the military industrial complex.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    They are also spending big on domestic arms production. France will be a big winner out of this since they've long valued independent military arms production and the rest of Europe will want to buy French stuff (yes along with American stuff) while they get their arms production up and running. South Korea is also a big arms supplier internationally.

    The reduction in US support for NATO is largely part of a pivot to focusing on Taiwan and China. The US military industry would love it if the US focused on both and kept cozy relations with europe. I'm sure they're happy with the whole world increasing defense spending amid rising tensions, but they aren't happy about the US scaring away customers. I hate how involved the US military is globally but acting like Trump is some mastermind of American imperialism is reductive and giving him too much credit. The thought that Europe shouldn't be worried about Russia (the ones currently invading a European country) is bonkers.

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    • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    Communication is most effective in the language of receiver. Rutte emulates Trump like ChatGPT.

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    [–] [S] 32 points 1 year ago

    By the way Rutte changed the wording in the agreement to be more vague as to what 'allies' means because Spain refused to agree to 5%.

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    [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I’ve have said this before but WW3 will start because of a meme or ChatGPT.

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idIxeAYnLGk

    NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte says he has 'no problem' with US President sharing private message

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Of course not, it was the entire idea.

    This message is so obviously sucking his asshole, they couldn't be more obvious yet Trump obviously has no idea

    The cheeto really has a long list of mental issues, doesn't he?

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    • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    🤮

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    [–] 49 points 1 year ago*

    World leaders have figured out he's functionally a toddler. Starmer and Trudeau took the same approach.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Oh my God I can just text the president while pretending to be anyone and shape world politics

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    [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    My sense at this point is that grotesque flattery works on Trump, but only to a point. Trump doesn't really like anyone, the best you can do is a slightly-better-than-neutral relationship. (And at the other end he's willing to coexist with anyone who hasn't personally slighted him, like Kim Jong Un)

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Well ... it's good to see there aren't just idiots in the US

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Trump is getting played because of his fragile ego. Him sharing a message of a person stroking his ego is evidence of it working.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    How is he getting played by the imperialist faction agreeing to up their imperialism budget (specifically what he demanded) and praising him?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Mark Rutte used to be the Dutch PM and his part in NATO is to advance the collective security of Europe, now by keeping the US on board. It's a something for nothing.

    The 5% is not binding, it's just words on a paper, not even the US spends 5%.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Furthermore, in the negotiations, they have allowed a lot of infrastructure projects to be counted towards this percentage calculations. So, there may not be much in the way of new actual military spending, just improving the roads/rails of the agreeing countries. That seems a lot easier to sell to the folks that are further from Russia.

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    • [+] 31 points 1 year ago (9 children)
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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No. The message here is "look at how I´m having my dick sucked"

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yep. But the point is Donald doesn't realize his dick is getting sucked by someone trying to get a favor out of him rather than just because he's such a swell guy.

    He's a narcissist. All he sees is compliments, not the clear manipulation behind them.

    Give Trump praise, he'll do exactly what you say. Which is why he thinks Putin is his best friend. Putin is just using Trump as a convenient idiot that'll do anything asked as long as Trump feels he'll be complimented by it.

    All he has to say is something like:

    "Oh Donny, at this time your big hands and strong will are our only hope. Won't you please bomb Iran to protect the world and become it's hero?"

    And that's all it takes to start WW3. And Trump would post the message thinking it's a compliment.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Still... As a European it (well...) sucks that any of our leaders would need to go this low for favors. Even if indeed they would go for 5 percent, the message should be "thank you, and now fuck off". It is clear he sees Europe as an enemy and it is very likely this 5pcent is to drag our economies down while he saves his from the disaster he's creating (where do you think Europeans mostly get their weapons and military equipment from?).

    So cocksucker rutte (and all the spineless clique except for Spain) gonna get assfucked too

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Agreed. And if it wasn't clear, I think Trump is an idiot. He sees everyone but himself as an enemy, including a vast majority of the country he is President over. He's not saving the economy in our country - he's working exclusively for himself and dismantling it for his favor.

    The defense money discussed in this meeting is very likely going to Trumps family or friends (like the literal 2 Billion his son recieved from Saudi Royalty) As our economy is very much on its way to another great depression, including the corruption and needless Tariffs that caused it last time.

    Everyone that works with Trump gets ass fucked, because the only thing he wants is fealty and self enrichment. There is no benefit towards our country or citizens in his actions, just himself.

    At the very least, the leaders of NATO understand this, and sucked his dick over this deal just to make sure the US didn't leave NATO as Trump has made very clear he gives no fucks about. Without the US's military backing, NATO is at immediate threat of hostilities, certainly by Russia who wouldn't hesitate to push past Ukraine and into Europe as Putin has made clear is his goal. The leaders of NATO are simply making a deal with the devil to avoid literal hell.

    It sucks you have to deal with those consequences, but at least you have a government that isn't banning abortion to kill more of your people through sheer ignorance.

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    • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    “How are you traveling to His Majesty’s dinner? Mind if I get a ride swingin from your nuts?”

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Bootlicker.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The utterly simplistic language of it all. 🙄🙄🙄

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