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[–] 7 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Of all the things that will never happen, this will never happen the most.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I think it's not very difficult to construct a really shitty small reactor that is horrendously expensive per watt. Can probably be built in a year if you get rid of NRC and just half ass it completely.

    I mean, Demon Core was a small reactor. You pretty much have to do a lot of work to ensure you won't create a small reactor when a truckload of fresh fuel falls into a river.

    What's difficult is making a safe reactor that is actually making electricity at somewhat reasonable price per watt.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah. Currently the center-right government here in Sweden are pushing nuclear, because the one thing they hate more than brown people is green people. But the industry actually tasked with building and running the plants have extracted both credit guarantees (== taxpayer money) and a legally mandated minimum price on electricity - remember, the entire populist narrative of nuclear is that it will bring cheap power! Plus they're unlikely to start building unless there's a stable parliamentary majority to cement the deal.

    OK, so far, so good (nuclear policy in Sweden is colored by the fractious debate on ending nuclear power in the late 70s, but the principals of that debate (boomers) are finally dying off). But when the shovel hits the ground, you need a site to build it on. And the neighbors of said site are generally of the opinion that a fucking power pylon is an infringement on their god-given right to property resale price increase. Imagine a concrete box of eldrich power blocking the skyline, and imagine a population of people who know how to pull the levers of obstruction and have had decades of practice doing it. Fun times ahead.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    Our previous gov in .nl also tried to push nuclear, but first they had to do a location study (which have already been done in the past, and for some added hilarity, our incompetent farmers party didn't know you needed rivers near those plants), but even if those were really redone and not just a stalling tactic, they already couldn't find a company willing to build one.

    And after our gov fell we are all back to square one now. Esp as I think forming a new gov will take forever again. Esp with the rightward shift of so many parties. (Our labour green party and our center right (but people think they are center left) party are now considered far left)

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    hmm, would sea water be too corrosive for cooling?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    sea water is used for cooling NPPs, there are heat exchangers on the way anyway, so only these will corrode and not anything close to turbine nevermind reactor. but you also have to pick a place that won't flood in any but extreme circumstances

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (21 children)

    It's not even trying to solve the right problem. In the US, the NRC has given out licenses for new reactors. They're sitting there without the funding needed to go forward.

    I have no doubt that licensing is a long process. It should be. That's how we keep fission power safe. But the more fundamental reason they're not getting built is because they reliably blow their budget and schedule.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

    Hell yeah.

    Nuclear energy isnt a technical problem, it's a human problem. Specifically, the real expense in US nuclear construction is that there are only a handful of contractors who have the tribal knowledge to actually do nuclear construction e.g. pour concrete, install old-fashioned non-networked electrcal control systems, big switchgear, pipefitting, startup V&V, an so on.

    They'll all gladly monkeywrench, slow walk, and re-work every step because they know there's no real competition for fleet-wide contracts, and no one from the CEOs to the craft on the ground want the job to end, so you get it decades late or not at all.

    One more piece of evidence that prompt fondlers are not serious people.

    Source: am person of nuclear

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, even before the techbros showed up, there was this industry push to try to convince people that regulation was the problem. If we loosened the bolts just 10%, everything would work out, they think. Attacking the "linear no threshold model" seems to be the latest strategy.

    It's almost like there's a reflexive need to blame government regulation on all the problems.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    Linear no-threshold isn't under attack, but under review. The game-theoretic conclusions haven't changed: limit overall exposure, radiation is harmful, more radiation means more harm. The practical consequences of tweaking the model concern e.g. evacuation zones in case of emergency; excess deaths from radiation exposure are balanced against deaths caused by evacuation, so the choice of model determines the exact shape of evacuation zones. (I suspect that you know this but it's worth clarifying for folks who aren't doing literature reviews.)

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah SMRs rule. They are so easy to build. You just move the map over to where you want them to be built, press the Building button or hotkey (B) and then choose the SMR (hotkey: S). Then you move the mouse over to where you want to place the SMR; a silhouette will appear at the target location. You click to start the build. It’s 150 minerals, 50 gas, and takes 15 seconds to construct. Just a few keypresses and you have green, clean energy anywhere you want it :) Crazy that nuclear power is so easy to get but governments treat it like it’s so scary.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    @frezik @dgerard but when did they ever even identify an actual problem?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    Even ignoring AI datacenter builds, we still need clean energy. I would be all for nuclear fission if it were at all economically viable. It just isn't.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    yeah, even the green case for nuclear - which has been around for a long time - falters on wind and solar with battery just being hilariously cheaper. At this point the funding problem is interconnects.

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  • [+] 3 points 11 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    @sumek @dgerard They got turned off and de-fuelled, chunks of the plant no longer exist: can't be re-started. This was deliberate policy.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    @cstross @sumek @dgerard sunk cost fallacy. Solar and wind and storage have simply won and the nuclear industry, such as it is, is thrashing around desperately trying to find subsidies and pretending "new tech" will improve matters.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    @cstross @sumek @dgerard Yes, purely political reasons. We are suffering in Germany from a systematic anti-nuclear propaganda campaign even through our schoolbooks.There are still parts that could be salvaged for a comparatively quick restart (compared to starting from scratch), but the people deciding these things currently are determined to make it harder every day.It will be hilarious when they realize in 15 years that even Poland decarbonizes faster than we do.

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  • [+] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)
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    @o7___o7 Yes, stupid and harmful propaganda campaigns are a reality a democracy has to deal with.But the problem is not that a majority is for this destruction. That is not the case. The problem is that a vocal minority has established itself in a position of power and are openly just doing it.That's not a conspiracy, and I am not forbidden to complain about it. It is even my duty as a democrat to at least make my voice heard, as one little force in the democratic process.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago

    @o7___o7 @Ardubal the book ban in #Fahrenheit451 was apparently the result of democracy too:-"But the public, knowing what it wanted, spinning happily, let the comic-books survive. And the three-dimensional sex-magazines, of course. There you have it, Montag. It didn’t come from the Government down."Bradbury, Ray. Fahrenheit 451: The gripping and inspiring classic of dystopian science fiction (p. 76). HarperCollins Publishers. Kindle Edition.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    @dgerard @frezik The problem is alway interconnects. (There aren't that many of them, and they tend to be scaled for fossil-fuelled power stations, probably 1MW being the smallest unless there were CHP setups with a grid feed.)

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    If we're talking about the general West, then there new nuclear is probably fucked. Rest of the world still builds for reasonable costs. Not nuclear bro amounts, but still.

    I think we could see a future where nuclear makes 5-10% of the world's electricity, which would technically make it a niche source of power, but it would also be a massive increase from today.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Nuclear already makes 9% of world's electricity.

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