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[–] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Imagine, that you were the intelligence service of a small country dependent on the support and compliance of larger countries to enable you to enact a genocide you had been planning for decades. What would be the best way to achieve that? Extensive Kompromat on influential individuals in positions of influence in media, politics and business might be one way to do that.

This isn’t a new thing ether, the lavender scare was in large part J “Edna” Hoover forcing queer individuals into a strict network of mutual blackmail. One of my grandparents told me several stories regarding the subject, don’t ask what they were doing in Budapest in 1956.

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    [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Is this Israel backers trying to distance themselves from Epsein's evils, or Epstein supporters trying to distance themselves from Israel's evils?

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    the Epstein/Mossad ties were often labeled by US corporate media as “unfounded” (New York Times, 8/24/25), dismissed as a “conspiracy theory” (New York Times, 7/16/25), or said to have been “largely manufactured by paranoiacs and attention seekers and credulous believers” (New York Times, 9/9/25).

    Just the NYT being the NYT. It's as credible on the topic of its favorite fascist apartheid state as the New York ComPost or even the Daily Mail is on anything.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Its... literally the oldest CIA trick in the book.

    Have the New York Times call anyone close to your actual operations a paranoid conspiracy theorist, use CIA talking points memos to guide your criticism and belittling of them.

    cough they first did this for the JFK assasination cough!

    ... if you doubt that ...

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-memo-1967-cia-coined-weaponized-label-conspiracy-theory/5822801

    Here you go, read these yourself, these are the memos where they say that's their plan.

    'CS' at the bottom stands for Clandestine Services.

    PSYCH ... well what do you think that means, rhat these are therapy notes?

    Been available since 1996, but it is still a 'conspiracy theory' to point out that the CIA ran a psych war campaign, internally, in the US, via their assets in the media, to discredit anyone not towing the uh, company line on 'the whole Bay of Pigs thing', as Nixon put it.

    Noam Chomsky (extremely ironically in this particular context) kinda pointed out that the US mainstream media (back when that term meant something)... was just full of CIA handlers, like, decades ago now?

    This is... ironic, because Chomsky himself is in the Epstein files, in case anyone was unaware.


    more 'tinfoil hattery' for either the similarly deranged or curious

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/03/16/did-the-cia-invent-the-term-conspiracy-theory/

    I love this Snopes article, its a critical reading skill test.

    It was only in the 1980s that the term "conspiracy theory" began to really have the negative connotations we associate with it today. So the conspiracy theory about the term's origins was likely a reaction to this growing negativity.

    Oh ok, it was the 80s when the term took on a negative, insult connotation.

    Ok, lets keep reading, several paragraphs later...

    It was only during the late 1950s and early 1960s that conspiracy theories started to become a stigmatised way of explaining big events.

    ... Wait what.

    You just said it was stigmatized in the 80s.

    Now it was stigmatized in the 50s/60s.

    ???

    The Kennedy assassination was the first major instance in which conspiracy theorists accused the state of secretly plotting evil and provided alternative accounts that were then labelled conspiracy theories, as in the 1967 CIA document.

    I.. yes... but... what? Thats... that's the point!

    So it is hardly surprising that conspiracy theorists – who blame events on the intentional actions of evil people – retrospectively see the emergence of the term as a deliberate attempt to uphold the official version of the Kennedy assassination.

    The CIA calls the ideas of such people 'conspiracy theories', verbatim, in that document!

    Are we really quibbling over not having a perfectly syntactically accurate CIA propoganda fucking style guide and tactics manual?

    Has the author not heard of how 'MKULTRA' was like, a whole family of related programs... and ... the head of the CIA ordered all those documents destroyed... and the only documents about that that we do have, exist because somebody missed a filing cabinet in 1973, and that one just happened to be found years later, via the Church Committee?

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Honeypot for Israel dominance is a much bigger deal than what the "honeypot victims" did. Very longtime evidence has Epstein with ultra high up Israel connections, whether or not he was part of Mossad organizational structure. There's also the matter that there is no legitimate path/trace for him to have had any significant wealth. Renting planeloads of prostitots is not wealth building, and so certainly "agenda financed".

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago*

    Yep.

    He's referred to as a financier or philanthropist in a good deal of like, lifestyles of the rich and famous type profile pieces, over the years...

    And no one can figure out where his money actually came from.

    Another angle here is this:

    To some extent, Mossad literally does (or maybe did) operate as a US directed agency, but a plausibly deniable asset.

    They carry out things 'we' want done, but won't sully 'our' name with, when its too dirty, too much collateral damage. We pretend to be moral and scold them from time to time, behind closed doors its all smiles.

    Lately, turns out the Israelis are both more brutal and more clever than... well basically the entire upper echelons of US tech/intel/political systems, and they managed to basically flip that equation on its head, they've apparently got kompromat on what, just, anyone who's been in politics in the US for more than 10 years, at this point?

    Hell, if you ask something like half of the right wingers in this country right now, they'll tell you they're pretty sure Mossad killed Charlie Kirk, after he told Israeli donors he wouldn't take their money anymore, that he couldn't keep being that pro-Israel.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    They look away from everything Israel does.

    Besides, Epstein was Ghislaine's accomplice. There's a reason one of those two is still alive. Her dad was a Mossad agent as well as a obese pension thief. I'm not even convinced he drowned when they said. How did they find one body in a vast ocean when they couldn't even find that whole airliner decades later?

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    [–] 33 points 11 months ago

    Having a journalism degree, it pains me immensely to see daily how the media are wholly complicit in everything that's going on.

    Ah well, it'll make a nice coaster at least. Serves some purpose in the end.

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  • [–] 53 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    It would make a hell of a lot of sense if Epstein worked for Mossad. It could also explain how Israel continuously has evaded backlash from USA.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    here’s a former cia agent/whistleblower talking about it: https://youtu.be/-RYBNlTw_44.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    That interview was going great until the Charlie Kirk shit.

    Kirk wasn't "changing the hearts and minds of anyone" he was just telling bigots that their hatred and racism was somehow not abhorrent and evil, by being abhorrent and evil himself.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    well he’s a spook, i don’t expect him to be completely moral…
    he did go to prison for blowing the whistle on the us’s torture program so he does get some points on that….
    i’ll assume he didn’t really know anything about kirk and was just saying nice things because he had recently died….
    at any rate, Epstein being recruited by Mossad so he could get blackmail on all the rich and powerful pedos makes a lot of sense to me… and there’s more than a little bit of evidence linking him to them….
    Mossad could’ve pulled off killing him in prison, explain Epstein’s super light first sentence, Maxwell being in a minimum security prison, and how Epstein got away with it for so long….

    also Virginia Giuffre getting murdered

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    The initial light sentence was the prosecutor being a client. Trump then gave the guy a political appointment before his Epstein ties were made public.

    Maxwell's light treatment is pure Trump. He's already floated a full pardon for his good friend.

    Virginia Giuffre committed suicide, 7 years after saying that she wouldn't. Her life the last few years had been rough, including domestic abuse. She had already submitted all the evidence she had, so a murder was of basically no gain to anyone, and also would run the risk of the agent getting caught, because those fuckers are not magic. She also never implicated Trump, despite the new evidence that the two spent hours together at Epstein's house.

    And finally, Trump was the one in control of Epstein's final prison stay. Not Israel.

    Do you see the through line?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    She had already submitted all the evidence she had

    That is a stretch, and probably a longer stretch than you might think.

    Most, if not all, of her "evidence" was secondary to legal actions both by her and against her, and in that context would necessarily have been limited to the subjects of the lawsuits.

    I do not for two seconds think she ever publicly, or in court-related documents or records, named ALL the names. Not every bigwig she saw on Epstein Island or in Epstein's parties directly interacted with her, much less specifically participated in her own abuse, but that doesn't mean she didn't see them there as well.

    Also, for someone who was in Epstein's inner circle, day in and day out, she very obviously saw people who have now denied ever being there, or even denied being a friend of his since then, but which emails written by Epstein now demonstrate were there and friendly all along. Consider also that Epstein and Maxwell both were very big on threats throughout, to the point that at least one of the victims (Maria Farmer) informally changed her name and moved house frequently for the next twenty years after having gone through all that, and still got threatening calls to remind her they knew how to find her.

    Thus it's not impossible that, in an abundance of concern for her own and her family's personal safety, Virginia Giuffre minimized or even denied the presence and participation of certain individuals who really were there, a silence she could revoke at any time. Unless she were dead, of course, and now she is: the silence is permanent.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    The Biden admin actually launched a full investigation along with victim interviews. Trump killed it.

    Also, lying about people who were there makes you a shitty witness for the prosecution. So even less reason to kill someone.

    And you've not even touched on the domestic abuse from the last few years.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    And you’ve not even touched on the domestic abuse from the last few years.

    Why would I? My comment is limited to the unlikelihood that Virginia Giuffre "submitted all the evidence she had," and nothing else you've said changes that. I do not believe she told all she knows.

    Nor do I believe that we, the public, have any right to expect anything from victims of trafficking, even the "full truth" at their own expense and with no personal guarantees of safety from those who use them, because if we were doing our collective job as a society, it would never be needed.

    If Ms. Giuffre withheld names and/or information for her own safety, good on her. It's not like anyone else was looking out for her.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Ms Giuffre gave Sworn Deposition. Changing her story later to add names that she "held back" is called purjury, and renders all of her testimony null and void.

    She would have been told this multiple times. No lawyer will let a witness into a courtroom without first getting their testimony as a sworn statement before hand. it's part of the process of a court case.

    So legally, we must treat her testimony as full and complete to her knowledge. Hell, Trump and company would have loved for her to purjur herself. That would have made their day.

    Purjury from a key witness can completely sink a case.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Beyond ignoring the fact that legal testimony is tightly limited in scope by both sides, you have your sworn evidence and non-sworn evidence entirely confused.

    But she did give interviews, talk to friends, and even write a book. This is not sworn testimony. But it is still evidence.

    There are zero indications Virginia Giuffre ever lied under oath, or committed perjury. Rather, those who spoke with her tended to find her genuine, and her attorneys were willing to go to bat for her all the way, which they would not have done had she been unbelievable.

    Counting both sworn and non-sworn statements made over the course of the last thirty years or so, can YOU prove she did, or did not, reveal all she knew?

    No. You cannot. And jumping from that to "She committed PERJURY!" is frankly just insulting to what she stood for. It's becoming apparent that you are not writing in good faith, twisting a definition of perjury to cover all statements made everywhere at any time, so peace out.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Trump is also being controlled by Mossad in this scenario, so him being connected to this doesn’t make me doubt it anymore.

    so why would trump want the US Attorney to give Epstein such a light sentence? They weren’t friends anymore and Epstein talked a lot of shit about him… so it probably wasn’t out of friendship and loyalty.

    same with maxwell. Why would he do that? It’s obviously a terrible look for him… he could’ve just stayed silent and pardoned her on the way out….
    if he does there will be riots…
    I could speculate on who he was trying to keep calm by saying he could pardon her, but he says whacko shit all the time.

    The father of Virginia Giuffre does not believe his daughter died by suicide, insisting instead “And then for them to say that she committed suicide, there’s no way that she did. Somebody got to her”
    her tweet, In December 2019, she wrote “I am making it publicly known that in no way, shape or form am I suicidal, I have made this known to my therapist and GP – If something happens to me – in the sake of my family do not let this go away and help me to protect them, Too many evil people want to see me [quieted].”

    she died [April 25, 2025]… that’s 5 years later, not 7…
    do you see the through line? Virginia Giuffre didn’t kill herself.

    Trump was not in control of that prison in any meaningful way. I know he wants to be dictator of everything in the country, but that’s crazy.
    If anything he had less access to that prison than an anonymous team of agents.

    Trump couldn’t pull that off… and he’s surrounded by idiots….
    The cameras coincidentally malfunctioning also points to Mossad, the guards on duty mysteriously falling asleep at the same time the cameras go out and epstein is killed? That’s an operation by a team… a team with advanced hacking capabilities (Israel is first class on that), and some sort of sleeping drug or gas….

    i think trump is being controlled, a lot of signs point to it…

    oh also the massive paper trail of money from Mossad accounts to Epstein are a little suspicious….

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, Epstein was associated with Mossad, but Trump doesn't need to be controlled by anyone to not want evidence of his pedophilia made public. I don't know why the conspiracy brained need to hear that.

    Also, you ignore the domestic abuse and general downward trend of a person's life in favor of a post from 2019... That's conspiracy brain rot.

    Fuck, suicidal people lie about it all the fucking time, that's like one of the first things you learn in Suicide Awareness.

    This whole "all suicides are actually murders" nonsense is the peak of stupidity.

    And finally, if Virginia Giuffre gave her evidence over to investigators, wrote a tell all book, and still never directly implicated Trump. So he had no reason to want her dead.

    Trump is guilty as fuck, but I don't think he went after Guiffre. She was too old for him.

    As for Mossad, those fuckers get caught fairly often when not in their little bubble of Israel and Palestine, because intelligence agents are not magic, they're people who think they're shit hot, but are generally just shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Also, you ignore the domestic abuse and general downward trend of a person's life in favor of a post from 2019... That's conspiracy brain rot.

    i’m not ignoring that and this tells me everything i need to know about talking to you and exactly where i stopped reading your drivel… fuck off with your “conspiracy brain rot”
    you don’t know shit, but you think you know everything.
    i don’t know shit but i’m happy to admit that i am speculating

    you’re a pompous windbag.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    So maybe that is the reason why Israel has the US government on a short leash? Not just the bribes?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago*

    How many currently serving U.S. politicians are blackmailed right now by people like Jeffrey Epstein?

    Did Benjamin Netanyahu Blackmail Bill Clinton Over the Monica Lewinsky Sex Tapes?

    It sure looks that way

    https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/did-benjamin-netanyahu-blackmail

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Epstein with Mossad?

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    [–] 21 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Gee why would they do that. If you say one bad word about Israel people attack you like rabid dogs, it's been getting better now finally but it's fucking insane. Take some responsibility for yourselves and your country by not massacring people and you won't even need an ADL.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Well they were apparently also paying for a global pedo cabal, and all the worst surveillance and human exploitation tech comes from there, and...

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    That was an investment, it's why everyone is in their pocket, mossad used Epstein to lure powerful people to an island full of children and surveillance cameras specifically to record them in incriminating positions doing horrible things for the sole purpose of manipulating world leaders into doing israel's bidding forever and paying billions of dollars to israel for reasons.

    I thought we all knew all of that before Epstein was even suicided, was there a debate about this I was unaware of?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    They really are just going all in on their darker and edgier 'protocols of the elders if Zion' larp.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    The Jews Control the World people are screaming with joy. 🙄

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I'm not even sure if they count, they're just larping the most racist stereotypes ever devised. If I put on a yarmulke and eat a Christian baby, does that make me Jewish? If I put together a horrible conlang loosely based on Yiddish? If I make their holy symbol mean effectively the same thing as a swastika, but less fashionable, by putting stickers of it on all my atrocities? I mean, I can keep going; tell me when i count as jewish.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    I wanted this to be real, but the "reveal" here is scant. Besides a handful of emails with Ehud Barak, what is there?

    In their next piece, Drop Site revealed (10/30/25) that Epstein created an Israel/Russia backchannel to attempt to oust Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Hussain and Grim reported that Epstein also worked with Barak and Russian elites to pressure the Obama administration into approving strikes on Iran, demonstrating his “knack for steering the superpowers toward Israel’s interests by leveraging a social network that intersected the Israeli, American and Russian intelligence communities.”

    Spectacular failures all around. Russia remained staunch supporters of Assad until his regime fell, and the Obama Admin continually turned down the temperature of the US-Iran relationship.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The fact that he wasn't very good at it doesn't mean that Epstein wasn't Mossad and passing blackmail material to them.

    Reading up on CIA antics shows that most intelligence operators are completely out of control, with no fucking clue what they're actually doing, but with the self confidence of a sociopath who doesn't understand the consequences of their actions.

    The spy and analytics side is often better, but every time agencies try to shape events, they create blowback. Especially since they think that working with people like Epstein is a good idea.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That’s a full on conspiracy theory.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Read up on what was revealed in the Church commission.

    Or what Ollie North was doing during Iran Contra.

    Or any of a dozen other cases where actual Intelligence operations have come to light.

    If you have agents in the field, they will be fucking around. And the people in charge never seem to care, no matter how many terrorist organizations they create.

    These agencies, from the beginning, have seen protecting the rich and powerful (of their country) as their main mission.

    But back to Epstein. Israel spies on the US, constantly. Maxwell's father was a Mossad agent and was buried with honors in Israel.

    He's likely the one who recruited Epstein.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Drop Site covered it

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If this is true so is Zuckerberg CIA founded also true ?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    It isn't a secret the CIA's investment venture capital fund thingy is called In-Q-tel and they invest in a lot of upcoming tech including early facebook. It is speculation but the NSA was basically building a facebook manually to link people to eachother post 911 then came along social media and they focused resources into it. Probs did some mk-ultra shit and here were are.

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    [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    Brilliant post! Finally.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago

    Why would media corporations expose their owners?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I hate Epstein as much as the next guy, but do we trust Drop Site News as a primary source?

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    [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    This would offer an explanation for the otherwise bizarre crackdown on protestors of the Israeli government policy well outside Israel’s borders.

    Kids holding signs in legal protest of another’s country’s policies should concern no on in the US or UK governments. It should be a nothing burger to them. And yet.

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