California Governor Gavin Newsom holds an early edge over Vice President JD Vance among young male voters for the 2028 presidency, according to new polling from a Republican-affiliated firm.

The latest League of American Workers/TIPP survey, conducted October 22-28, shows that among young men, 38 percent would vote for Newsom compared to 33 percent for Vance.

The findings suggest that Newsom—a prominent Democratic voice—continues to outperform expectations with a demographic that has trended toward the GOP in recent years. The results come amid renewed debate within both parties over how to win back young men, a group increasingly seen as pivotal to future national elections.

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[–] 115 points 1 year ago (92 children)

Don’t run Newsom. Run AOC

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    It'll be Harris all over again. JD sucks but in no way would I be enthusiastic about voting for Newsom.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    So far I think he’s better than Hillary Clinton. I also don’t really know what he stands for.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    He stands for corporations as far as I can tell. Occasionally he is on the right side of things, seemingly on accident.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    In what way, though? Everybody stands for corporations in some way.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    He'll nit support cost of living, depressed wages, and will continue to offer tax breaks to the wealthy. Maybe he throws LGB people a bone, but he will absolutely make sure trans people get shafted. He's a corporate Dem when what the Dems actually need to be doing to helping working people.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Is this all based on things he’s actually done as a governor or proposed? Or just the vibes he puts out?

    As for giving trans people the shaft. I think this is just exaggerations people make online. He came out against trans athletes joining sports of their gender. But that’s an issue 66% of Americans agree with. It hardly means he doesn’t support trans people.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The trans issue shows he's not up for the challenge. If he can't stay on message and has to spread disinformation to win then he is only going to sweep MAGA under the rug instead of addressing their lies head on.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    What disinformation did he spread? Maybe I missed that. He actually calls Charlie Kirk out for disinformation he was spreading.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He’s also brought podcast bros onto his own podcast which is already a weird thing for my politicians to be doing while elected as an official representative.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    listen to him talk about the students that have been protesting the genocide, he casts it as antisemitic.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Was this on a podcast? Or somewhere else? I haven’t seen this.

    Is this a case where he was calling out specific cases of antisemitism and people responded by claiming he was calling all protests antisemitic?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I think there’s no way in hell Harris would win a democratic nomination. The stink left on her from losing to Trump will be very hard to overcome.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think she'd be great. I'd vote for her if I could.

    We need more good Senators.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Think she could win a democratic nomination? I think it’s going to be very hard for her to overcome that loss.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    this opinion brought to you by Manufactured Consent Industries

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not sure what this means, honestly. She hasn’t won a democratic primary yet, but has lost to a historically unpopular candidate. While also sharing the stage with conservatives. I just don’t think she’ll be able to shake that.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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    She's building up for something, not yet clear whether state level or national level.

    NY "moderate" dems need replacement. Hochul, Schumer, Gillibrand...

    Antonio Delgado is challenging Hochul and I'm excited for that. Gillibrand unfortunately isnt up for a while yet. Schumer is up in 2028 and therefore the most likely for AOC to challenge at state level.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Democratic primary is going to be INTERESTING. God I hope we don’t fuck this up.

    While I would love AOC, she would be the youngest by quite a bit. Plus, she probably needs to win something more than a house seat. It is great having a party leader that is so young.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    The problem with the party leadership route is that party insiders are the only ones who get to vote on it, and when that's the electorate she can't even beat Gerry Nadler. If she can run in a race with real people voting on it I think she could beat anyone.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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    Copy and pasting from my other comment

    Her highest accomplishment is being a House of Representatives member. This is incredibly rare. Most people that become president have been elected in a statewide election, or had military, or were a part of the office in some way already (VP, secretary, etc).

    To go from being a House of Representatives member to being president is a massive uphill battle.

    I hope she runs and joins other democrats on the debate stage. It would raise her profile in a big way. She would have my vote for sure. But I would not get my hopes up simply cause of her experience level.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So because she isn't in the hierarchy, too easy say less burn the hierarchy down. IDGAF about your perceived "uphill" battle if she has the words and is elected in the primaries full send.

    Literally, Trump wasn't shit before and had a shitty first term and they re elected him.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Tell me again how many times the current president was a senators or representative or in government at all. Your comment is garbage.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Her highest accomplishment is being a House of Representatives member. This is incredibly rare. Most people that become president have been elected in a statewide election, or had military, or were a part of the office in some way already (VP, secretary, etc).

    To go from being a House of Representatives member to being president is a massive uphill battle.

    I hope she runs and joins other democrats on the debate stage. It would raise her profile in a big way. She would have my vote for sure. But I would not get my hopes up simply cause of her experience level.

    Your comment is garbage.

    Grow up

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Quit juggling and Answer the question. What was Donald Trumps previous roles in government before he was the president.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Clearly you’re not actually interested in having a conversation since you are ignoring my actual points and the spirit of what I’m saying.

    AOC shares nothing in common with what brought Trump to power. He has been a very well known national figure for longer than AOC has been alive. He had a national brand that gave him an advantage.

    AOC doesn’t have this yet. She is very popular among progressives, but in no way is she taken as seriously nationally as somebody who has been making headlines since the 80s. Or even as someone who was a senator or governor or VP or cabinet member. She could earn this respect in debates, but it will be much harder for her than others.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I dont think its extreme to prefer some larger leadership roles before the largest one in the country. Even Obama had a senator stint. Even with it I think he squandered certain opportunities for progress because of inexperience. I'd still vote AOC before Newsom by a large margin but there are also other potentials in the party. Those potentials aren't as left as I'd like but they could be more effective at getting things done.

    Trump is a strong argument against allowing inexperience...

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Keep polishing those turds with experience. They still will be turds.
    Obama was a turd as well he just made you feel good about it.
    You deserve Nancy polosi, biden, and Mitch McConnell.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    And how well has that worked out for the country?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I see you are just piling up your trash for that move to under the bridge. Worked out pretty good for China I'd say. But keep playing by outdated imaginary hard rules and thinking in your 1980s logic world let me know how that works out for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Well I'm not exactly happy about him so not the greatest example of who I would vote for.

    To the extent that people are in his cult, he was a national celebrity heralded as the leader of multinational business concerns. That distinction should have carried huge burden of those concerns being crap, but the apprentice made him out to be smart supreme businessman.

    As compelling as AOC might be. Her track record even in theory is a single congressional district.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    Dumbest shit I've heard in a while. She would be a great candidate, but to quote back to the future " I guess you guys weren't ready for that yet. But your kids are gonna love it'

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  • [+] -23 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    Call it dumb, but Newsom is one candidate that voting for would violate my moral code. If it’s Newsom vs Trump or Newsom vs Vance, I am staying home.

    I am literally begging democrats to run someone I can vote for. Doesn’t have to be a good candidate, just has to be someone that’s not Newsom

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    I defo think we should run AOC over Newsom. That said, people staying home because voting for the lesser of two evils "violated their moral code" is how we ended up in our current situation. It is unbelievably selfish to prefer to say "at least my hands are clean" as the world grows drastically darker due to your inaction. I really hope we get to vote for AOC in 2028, but if we don't, then I am begging you to do some reflection and change your attitude.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's strange to me that we're agitating for voters to change and not our leaders. It's fewer people you have to convince.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    We're doing both. Mamdani and the new DNC leadership are proof of this. Please don't turn this into a false dichotomy; voter apathy still needs to be challenged at every turn, along with demanding better of our leadership.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    AOC with a Bernie VP could win. With just AOC, your going to have a bunch of neolibs that will just sit out because they don't want to vote for a woman. It's fucking stupid, and counter productive, but it's true.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    It’s not lesser of the two evils for me. Newsom strikes me as a smarter Trump seen through a Democratic curtain instead of a Republican one.

    Voting for Biden and Harris were voting for the lesser of the two evils. Voting for Newsom is not. That’s how strongly I feel about Newsom.

    While I would enthusiastically vote for AOC, it doesn’t have to be AOC to get my vote. Hell, id vote Whitmer - and she gives me slimy vibes.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    the astroturf is strong with this one

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Get ready for a lot more of it when the elections come around. This place will be crawling with that bullshit again.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hey, maybe he's a true believer that just drank all the astroturf flavored Kool-aid.

    Newsom is also not my preferred candidate. Yeah, it might lower enthusiasm and cause people to stay home, aka the opposite of Mamdami. But I'm not going to go tell my friends and everyone on the Internet not to vote because of it.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I looked that up. I’m not representing other people or claiming that this will be a movement. If they run Newsom, they will lose my vote. If that doesn’t matter to them, so be it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Newsome is terrible. He's a slimy rich boy who is exceptional at playing demographics.

    People are excited cause this gerrymandering thing was a win. The dude has been enabling PG&E to kill hundreds of people in Northern California and handed them more power in relation to solar installation. He's not that far off from his democratic cuck podcast phase where he let popular republicans shit down his throat cause he thought that would make him more popular nationality.

    Newsome will sell the nation out for money, or power, he doesn't care about California, he cares about looks. DNC loves a plastic-surgeried, rich candidate as much as republicans do. You can hope they do better, but people are shallow.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    People like you discouraged votes for Harris, and handed Trump his second term.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Harris running a shitty campaign, standing proudly next to republicans, riding the coat-tails of a terrible president, and telling her voting base to sit down and shut up is what haneded Trump his second term.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    What are newsomes previous policy choices or personal actions that would disqualify him in your view?

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    There are Democrats not named Newsom.

    If Democrats choose to run him anyway, then I guess we’ll have President Vance, yes.

    This is the same stupid logic that got us Kavanaugh. There has to be more than one eligible person, yet they insist on pushing one of the worst possible candidates.

    Are you saying Newsom is the last standing Democrat available to run for President? Because I disagree.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, that's a great point of view. If someone offers you 40% of what you want, and the other person offers you 0%, and wants you to become a slave, the only natural choice is to not support either of them, because you can't get 100% of what you want...

    As I say at work fairly often, the chances of something going from a state of complete disarray to complete perfection, overnight, is essentially zero. But even if you go from 1% of what you want to 2%, that's still an order of magnitude better than the status quo.

    When faced with a choice of no improvement, or slight improvement, it hardly ever makes sense to choose no improvement, unless there's some massive cost involved for a barely noticable gain.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Newsom is infinitely more likely to get elected in a national election unless we suddenly develop class consciousness.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Always saying centrist candidates are the only ones who can win and then running only centrist candidates is a self fulfilling prophecy that doesn't even have a good track record.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Remember when Harris was running, and everyone kept telling us that Leftists don't come out to vote? Remember them telling us that she should keep moving to the right, despite the fact that Leftists are way more popular?

    Get ready for more of that with Newsome.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Remember them telling us that she should keep moving to the right

    I don't remember anyone saying that, the general consensus seemed to be people criticizing her for embracing Liz Cheney and moving to the right.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you don't remember anyone saying that, it's because you weren't paying attention.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/23/briefing/kamala-harris-convention-speech.html

    Hell, search posts here for "leftists don't vote", and you'll find a lot of simps explaining that it's "akshually smart of her" to keep moving to the right.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It is also possible that the morons on this site who say dumb shit like that were on my block list for saying other dumb shit.

    Or memories aren't perfect and I just don't remember every stupid thing people say.

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