Better to DIE than DEI, I guess.
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The lesson to learn is if we run uncharismatic candidates who are substantially further to the right than the Dems voter base, and the most thought the candidate gives the voting base is:
They have to vote for me. Who else are the left gonna vote for?
Its fucking "no one", and it's been that same answer for a long time.
We have a fair DNC now that won't try to shove a conservative down America's throats. So we have a chance to win.
But if we run a conservative as a Dem, Republicans win.
It's really fucking tiring to see those conservatives blame trans people for the lose. That had nothing to do with it. It might be the final straw for some people, but there was a shit ton of reasons people couldn't hold their nose this time.
Can't prove a negative, but it's not like US policy towards Iran (or Israel) changes much from admin to admin. Here's Kamala right before the election saber rattling: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/08/harris-iran-greatest-adversary-trump-election.html
This is a dumb narrative that leads to petty bickering while we are currently living under literal fascism. The reason they elected a fascist is because they desire change from the status quo. Pronouns are not a positive change for most people. So of course they will pick a fascist over that platform, if that's all it has to offer. The left has to get real, and I mean realpolitik. We have real solutions to offer these people. That's what the message should focus on. Inclusion is a given with leftism. DEI is corporate virtue signaling.
How is the status quo not the goal of conservatism? It's literally in the name.
Republican voters and non voters are absolutely against the changes they are seeing come from left-leaning or liberal populations. The status quo is literally to not change what already is.
there was plenty of things besides pronouns that dems had to offer. like boosting new homeowners and offering incentives to new families having babies. racism and misogyny overruled it though. "i'm gonna ban all muslims and mexican are rapists!" won out.
America is looking at the proverbial mirror and realizing its full of racist, morons and people who think women can't lead; and no amount of 'well Kamala and Clinton didn't get me excited and offer me anything' will excuse that.
I have no idea what policies you're talking about in regards to homeownership and child incentives, and I'm extremely well read on politics. So yeah, 100% that the average American doesn't either.
Kamala literally said this in her speeches. Maybe the average american is a dumb fuck I guess?
Probably not. She didn't highlight it. Her main issue was abortion, which is divisive and/or indifferent to a lot of people. It's not something that should ever be the centerpiece of a campaign.
Probably not. She didn’t highlight it.
she did, maybe the media didn't though. Her main issue was that she was female and had a darker complexion. Otherwise she was a clone of Biden.
The highlight of republicans seems to be trans people. a trivial and totally made up problem and yet, here we are. Gee I wonder why.
No, she didn't. You're delusional. Dems will continue to lose until they wake up.
dems will continue to lose until the US stops becoming transphobic, racist mysoginists shithole. Wake up
How's that deficit going? How's environmental protections going? Hows citizen birthrights going? It all goes back to greed and hate. Its not the candidates problem, its the citizens. "FUck you I gOt MiNeS!"
No it's a candidate problem. Blaming citizens is the same as Republicans blaming people for being poor. They are ignorant because there are no good leaders inspiring people to be better. And it's of course because of money in politics. Decent people simply aren't put up to run. Only the most bootlicking frauds are allowed to run. Dems are owned by corporate donors just as much as the Republicans.
i don't recall democrats ever making campaign promises to ban an entire religion, and build a wall around mexico because its full of rapists. Any comparison there?
Sure they are both backed by money, but only one is backed by hatred and malice--thus the mass shootings and prejudice. This isn't new information MLK was shot for working against this...
Me neither, but I do recall them going after people of a certain religion, and sending them to torture prisons. I remember them fast-tracking a bunch of funding for the wall, and deporting more people than first-term Trump.
So sure, maybe they didn't campaign on being evil, but once they had the power, they sure acted evil.
yeah after 9/11 you mean when we invaded iraq for lies and started torturing muslims in black-sites? Oh wait that was Bush.
Oh I know what you mean when that one democrat took out that ad about the central park 5 calling for their execution and doubled down after they were exonerated? oh wait that was trump. Wait wait do you mean how Democrats took the 'great replacement theory' and made it mainstream? Oh wait that was also republicans... Or how about the DOGE guy doing the nazi salute live on television? wait, he's also aligned with trump. Gee coming up with a hard time coming up with examples here. Help me out
No, I mean after 9/11 when Obama continued Bush's policies, including torturing people at black-sites, and bombing children overseas. I also mean when Biden sent Haitians off to torture camps in Guantanimo. I also mean when Biden spent a bunch of money expanding ICE, the border wall and our military.
So yeah, if you keep ignoring when Democrats act evil, you won't have any memory of them acting eveil. I suggest next time you look for data, before saying that you don't remember any data.
If obama had stopped what bush had started he would have been obstructed, like he was with everything else. By the way, who killed Bin-Laden? Who actually got stuff done? Who expanded drilling for oil and nixing environmental protections? They are leagues apart and the only thing shouting "both shides are the shame" is doing is harming the country and turning us against each other. They aren't the same.
This is akin to civil war apologists saying it was about state rights and not human rights. Republicans would have smoked smokey the bear with a 12 gauge and then posed with his corpse; conservatives literally had their soldiers stacking iraqi's like pyramids and electrocuting their genitals but no! "both sides are the same"
im tired of it. Its not the same, no matter how much you white wash it.
Then he should have gone down fighting. He chose to grow the wars because his doners wanted him to. And if by "got stuff done" you mean "bombed kids", or "tortured innocent people" or "sold out homeowners to protect the banks", then I'd say it was indeed Obama. You know who also expanded drilling for oil? Biden
I'd rather have politicians who try for what I want and fail, than politicans who are successfull at what I don't want.
Also, please point out where I said both sides are the same. It's amazing to me how liberals constantly yell at me for things I do not believe, and haven't said.
imagine being half white but the entire country calls you the first black prezzo. Imagine passing the affordable care act saving peoples lives from financial ruin and it was a republicans idea but it gets called Obama-care. Imagine old women calling you the N-word live on tv at Mccains rallies. Imagine bumper stickers with target sites over your face donning pickup trcuks. They are not the same my guy. Obama was up against the wall and did what he could to keep the nation together and did. And he not only did it but he did it with finesse. (and this isnt even mentioning the hate his wife got for daring to be african american) America is a racist country, desperately trying to downplay Obama's legacy by equalizing him to trump a cheating loser who failed a university, casino (multiple) stiffs contractors, insults disabled people, deregulates environmental safety regulations, I could go on and on. They are NOT THE SAME.
But go ahead, keep thinking both sides are the same, it makes you sound so smart! What a smart man you are!
Imagine being a 4 year old in the middle east. Imagine being blown up by the first half-black president! Do you know how amazing and progressive that must feel?
Imaginge being tortured in a prison, with the approval of a person who had been called the N-word. Can you imagine how liberating that must be?
Imagine losing your home, and watching the bank that owned your mortgage making billions of dollars in profit, but all, while a PoC was president. Can you imagine how great that must feel? To know that America was so forward thinking?
I don't really care about Obama's race. I care that Obama screwed over the working class, and tortured and killed innocent people.
Once again, I ask you to point out where I said that "they are the same". You won't, because I haven't said that, because I don't believe they are the same. Come back when you are done tilting at windmills
imagine being half-white but everyone treating you as black, imagine being obstructed in every law you try to enact, imagine being stonewalled in everything you do, imagine having to act the act or be impeached because once again, you are treated as black. Obama didn't just have to do what he did, he was forced to or congress would filibuster/obstruct him. If he could have done half the things he wanted to we wouldn't have been in iraq in the first place. Imagine if I punched someone in the face and then shoved you in front of me to end the fight. Imagine if I shot a innocent bystander and then urged you to get him first aid (oh and then torture him) that was Obama's burden. You guys equating him with bush is moronic and takes a simpleton to not figure this out. Funnily enough he was the only one with the balls to get Bin-Laden, which was the only thing we needed to do not nation build like that moron bush wanted. Face it, Obama was great compared to his predecessors. (you wont, youre hatred of him wont allow it)
Stonewalled? He got a lot of support for blowing up innocent people. He wasn't forced to do any of it, he was proud of it. If he wanted us out of Iraq, why didn't he at least try? He had every opportunity to pull out, but proudly decided that more war was a good idea. At no point was congress forcing his hand in that.
"you wont, youre hatred of him wont allow it"
You are correct. My hatred of someone who bombed innocent people, screwed over the poor and working class, and expanded torture programs won't allow me to say that he was a great president. If he wanted to be remembered as a great president, then maybe he shouldn't have done those afwul, evil things.
should he be ashamed of blowing away bin-laden, pie?
Nah, I don't think so. I personally would rather that they arrested Bin Laden, and tried him in international courts, but I don't see a problem with Obama killing him.
Your arguments play into their hands. Continue to be baffled by the world you live in.
i disagree, their arguments play into my hands, they again and again show they know nothing but hatred for the 'other'. They can claim they want peace all they want but when they ransacked the state capital on January they lost all credibility. Face it, they are on the side of racists morons who worship rich people.
You're just being hateful and not offering any solutions. Same as the dems. Also, you don't win votes by demonizing people. Anyway, you're fairly dense and reactionary. Not much different than them anyway. One day you'll probably join them once you realize your desire to hate isn't supported by the left.
that tends to happen when conservatives vow to ban the religion of your family (im atheists myself) the irony of calling me hateful is lost on people like you because you cant face the mirror. You are a lost cause and will never admit it though. Imagine if I campaigned on banning all christians? the country would lose its collective mind. and probably shoot up some more black churches or mosques or something. Are the dems inspiring those acts? No, no, its the trannies fault that the country is in shambles! Lets ban some books.
One day you'll realize youre on the wrong side of history, like the german nazies did
agree, the inclusion movement went too far into dictating how people should behave and cancelling people on the basis of any perceived offenses and that gave electoral leverage to the current president
I don't support fascism buuut
Thanks for proving the point of the meme.
This is such a counterproductive take. It ignores why Harris actually lost (like Biden running again and refusing to step down until the end), while also implying that the Democrats didn't do anything wrong whatsoever and the fault lies with the electorate. If that's the takeaway for the DNC from this past election then we're cooked.
70 million people looked at maga bigotry of various sorts and found it not to be a dealbreaker. Fact. They either hoped or knew Trump would hurt other people not like them, so they gave him a pass. (and that doesn't count what I believe to be the vast majority of Trump voters who were overtly OK with it.)
My intent in sharing here isn't to postmortem the election. It's a reminder of the 70 million shitty people we smile and shake hands with every day.
It also implies that Harris wouldn't attack Iran when she totally would have. A more correct approach would have been that ww3 for the Democrats is more preferable than worker rights and social institutions Bernie wanted.
in what world do you think she would have?
“What we need to do to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power, that is one of my highest priorities,” she added.
Why do you think she wouldn't? She and her party showed in recent years they will do anything Israel orders them.
I get the sentiment, but horrible economic prospects had a lot more to do with this than different people seeking common decency when you get down to it.
Lmao. More seriously, though, Trump did campaign on improving the economy and it helped him a lot. The fact that anyone with half a brain could tell he wasn't going to do that is secondary.
"Okay, so I believed the authoritarian liar -- but I was soooooooo mad! I literally had no choice!"
It's called nuance and it's a lot more productive than blind righteous anger.
People vote based on principles and strategies different from yours. Bitching about it won't change that fact or help you win elections. Enjoy your 5 minutes of hate.
If people are drowning, anybody who promises to throw them a life bouy looks like a fucking heroe to them.
Far-Right Populists are riding this effect all over the World all the while mainstream "moderates" entreched in and winning from the current system see nothing wrong with it and persist in trying to sell "steady as she goes" as policy (after all, that's what's best for them personally), something which ressonates with the people who haven't yet been affected by the pillaging of the Economy by the ultra-wealthy - the well-off middle class - but not with those below who are suffering, and as the effects of the pillaging climb higher and higher up the economic ladder, the number of those suffering keeps increasing and so does the appeal of the far-right promises.
I'm actually a member of a small leftwing party in my own country and the current leadership totally fucked the party up in the last decade or so (falling from almost 20 parliamentary representatives to 1) exactly because the new and younger leadership whom the old guard moved over to give room to, were out of touch well-off middle class types who were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and never really had to fight for making a living, and hence started parroting liberal talking points from the anglo-saxon world (because all they know besides the local language is English, and they saw that shit on Twitter and though it was "leftwing") all the while most of the people in the country were feeling the pain and it wasn't related to the political slogans that these people were parroting and the unfairnesses they obcessed about.
The out of touch leftwing-cosplayer crowd will never beat the far-right populists because the latter actually pitch radical solutions for the problems of the many (all complete total bullshit, but many people can't tell so go for it) whilst the former pitch "steady as she goes with a few tweaks" which works only for the "I'm alright" well-off middle class and above, not the many, so won't really appeal to the bulk of voters.
I'm not saying that voting for the far-right populists is right or will actually solve the problems of the many, I'm saying it's understandable that so many end up grabbing what looks like the only lifebouy in front of them.
Any genuine half-way competent leftwing politicians from a priviledged background should realise that their life experience is not representative and that the "inequalities" that are of concern to the upper middle class (a typical example: the "glass ceiling for women to become CEOs") aren't at all the biggest and most painful inequalities out there (they only affect a tiny proportion of people, who are already priviledged compared to most of the population and are not at all in pain) and actually fight against the pains that affect the many even if that requires breaking the very system that made them "winners" the day they were born.
Anyways, now in America we're seeing what far-right populists really are when they have power, similarly to what happened in Brexit Britain some years ago (and the "moderate" politicians there don't seem to have so far learned the lesson and keep on relying on the mathematical rigging of FPTP to get power less and less votes) and of course all their promises were bullshit and their "solutions" only make things worse.
Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time
Trump: Kill healthcare and social programs and deport Brown people. Instant fix.
Dumbfucks: I do hate people who aren't like me. And harming others makes me feel better about myself. I'm in.
Things are in fact getting worse for the average American over time... Or were you being facetious? That's where the whole thing falls apart and you get nihilistic voters and raging petty tyrants electing a fascist.
Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time
Okay not to defend Republicans, but if I was barely able to afford rent and heard "stay the course" I'd fucking riot. Please don't present Biden's position of "what do you mean? The economy is awesome" as the reasonably side here.
I didn't think I was. But a real dumbfuck chooses option B
But factually things were improving in spite of corporate greed. But as much as they could have. Now they're not.
But this wasn't an essay
Two things:
- Inflation happened all over the world after covid due to supply issues, when production had to resume when restrictions were lifted. US had one of the lowest inflation in Western world
- During first taco term there was a massive wealth transfer due to the tax bill. The corporate tax cuts were permanent, while cuts for us were expiring year over year, last one expires this year.
When the alternative is to burn everything down, staying the course absolutely is the reasonable option.
Would you still riot
if I was barely able to afford rent and heard “stay the course”
…. And you had the awareness to see the historically huge investments in infrastructure, supply chains, renewable energy, EVs that would have added thousands of jobs? that inflation had been trending down and was near normal? Repeated attempts to implement assistance for the student loan crisis over Republican objections? Etc
Biden did a lot of the right things for all of us, but we needed to stay the course long enough for them to take effect and we needed to be both aware that they existed and patient enough to understand that some things take time.
Instead we voted for an orange child to throw tantrums and break all our toys.
Destruction is fast and easy, but building is much harder and takes more time
We all know the economy is bad. But they choose to believe it is caused by trans people and immigrants. So OOP still correct.
Republicans have terrible economic policies. Voting for Republicans for economic reasons is stupid. Even if you're rich, if you care about the long term.
Which doesn't make sense either because historically all economic indicators have been better on average during democrat governments than republican ones
Except the only indicator that matters to the oligarchic owner/operators of the USA, the wealth transfer to the rich.
I honestly do not think that it did.
That might be what people will tell you (and themselves in some cases), but I don't buy it.
To add to this, the economy is not better for the average person currently, anyone who thought it would be is naive and I just have trouble believing that American's on average are that gullible.
Duh. Like another poster said though, Trump campaigned on improving the economy. He said he would do it. The Dems are so spineless they won't even lean into that. They focus on niche issues of minority groups. It's a recipe for fucking losing and they know it is the worst part, because at the end of the day, they get their funding from corporate donors who will cut them off if they ever actually push for real change.
Let’s be real: Yes, the Democrats ran a historically tone-deaf campaign. But Trump’s entire economic pitch boils down to ‘Just believe me, folks! The same empty promise he made before leaving office with record job losses, broken supply chains, and an economy in freefall. I get what your saying I just have trouble believing voters are this desperate to blame ‘wokeism’ that they’ll ignore:
- The $7.8 trillion he added to the debt?
- The 3 million jobs lost under his watch?
- The fact his ‘miracle economy’ was a sugar rush of tax cuts for billionaires?
It’s a death wish for the middle class.
You better believe it. Have you spoken to them? I speak to Trump voters every day. It's what he says that matter. They do not give a shit about what he does. The Dems don't speak or do anything about these things so can you blame them for choosing him despite all his lies? At least he talks about the issues.
Disingenuous tweet. Not like the other side was committing a genocide and normally just acts like republican lite
This community is cooked. The most popular response is that trans rights had fuck all to do with democrats losing, but they are all getting down voted to hell.
If we had the election again today trump would win by more votes, clearly.
Harris also loves Israel and hates Iran and seemed pretty warhawkish during her campaign
Edit: if you disagree PLEASE just downvote and don't reply, I'm TREMBLING in fear of your possible replies
I don't think there are many people in US that love current Iran regime, bit there is a difference between not liking it and starting a war.
Also I am so fucking tired of that argument "yeah, what he does is not good but Harris would be worse"
We don't know, since taco is in charge, but we know that Netanyahu was livid when she commented how Israel is handling Palestine. Netanyahu also met with trump in July last year, now we know he likely wanted to have guarantees that trump will back Israel is it comes down to this.
And lastly, trump already tried to start war with Iran in 2019, but failed. He later also said he did it because Netanyahu told him to, which shows how weak he is.
Per your edit, and so you're not completely in the dark - I'm here to say I downvoted your comment because of the edit complaining about downvotes. Hope that helps.
Far better to elect the person threatening to drop nuclear weapons on Iran?
Has kamala condemned this action by Trump? The Dems are not anti-war. They are warmongers just like the GOP.
The Dems would never have done this. But they'd still be supporting the genocide in Gaza. They are slightly less warmongering than Trumps. Meh. Fuck the whole system.
Harris and Biden both supported Israel and their right to retaliate, regardless of the extent of that retaliation. However they never advocated direct involvement and they certainly never threatened using nuclear weapons. Both sides are not the same
I mean trump never advocated direct involvement during the campaign either but we're speculating because Harris isn't in office. I'm basing my speculation on the fact that the Biden admin kowtowed to Bibi constantly and Harris made it clear she'd be the same in that regard. If either of them were in this same situation where Israel is in active war with Iran and Bibi begged them to strike Iran i think they definitely would.


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