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[–] 16 points 1 year ago

Why is Castrating GAYS TRANS PEOPLE DEMOCRATS Pedophiles Pointless? YOU must LOVE Pedophiles!

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It has the same issues as any other permanent punishment in that if somebody is wrongly convicted then it can't be reversed. Hell, we still execute people we know were wrongly convicted fairly frequently. If this passed then there would definitely be wrongly convicted people getting castrated. Being castrated also doesn't prevent sex offenders from reoffending. The lack of sex hormones would reduce sex drive but for most offenders it's less about the sex and more about control. Also if a reduction in sex drive is the goal then there are chemical means to acheive that (which still don't actually stop sex offenders).

    So you would just wind up castrating a few innocent people while still making no difference in the actual offenders ability to reoffend.

    Unless we can know with absolute 100% certainty that the accused is guilty then the best thing to do with people who are convicted of henious crimes like that is to just lock them up. That way they can't hurt anyone but if new evidence comes out that proves them innocent then they can be released and the damage can still be somewhat remedied.

    Even if we somehow could know with absolute 100% cetainty that they were guilty (I'm not sure how that would even be possible) castration still wouldn't make sense because it still leaves them the chance to reoffend. IMO if we lived in a magical world where absolute truth could be known by all then rapists should just be killed because the risk of a rapist reoffending outweighs the worth of a rapist and nothing else will actually ensure they won't reoffend.

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  • Very true, but even without reading the article, I know which political party is the impetus behind this idea. And, for them, the cruelty is the point. They've never cared about crime victims, but rather enacting their unhinged punishment rituals to affirm in their minds that there are worse people in the world than themselves.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The experts are all on the registry

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "Anyone that doesn't support government enforced mutilation is a pedo!"- an absolute fucking moron

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    [–] 58 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Make sex crimes punishable by castration -> Make it a sex crime to be trans/gay/lesbian -> commit genocide, by definition.

    Cool

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It’s like the death penalty, once you kill someone it’s too late to say sorry when new evidence comes out and they are innocent.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    It's also like the death penalty that it riles people up, they say "God Damn Right" and "They DESERVE IT my mofuckin' KIDS gotta be PROTECTED" while painting anyone who doesn't like it as sympathetic to perverts.

    So, it's going to probably work really well.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Besides all the points everyone else has mentioned:

    “Even if just one rapist changes his mind about raping a child, I will take that.”

    Always be skeptical anytime anyone uses an argument of this form. There are tradeoffs for everything, but this phrasing only serves to stop people from weighing them fairly.

    Oh, and the above quote comes from the co-sponser of the bill, who is a Democrat. Just in case you thought this was a Republican problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Draconian laws have the effect of turning abuse into murder. On the other hand, we absolutely need to be castrating abusive parents. Break the skull of your infant, it gets taken away, have another one. Over and over. This society is so damn ignorant.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    "They keep letting parents murder their babies millions of times!!!" says local idiot about thing that never happens.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    My family fostered, and had 3 children from the same woman, one after another over the years. I lived it, so maybe educate yourself about the world before correcting me. We don't live in a good world, no matter how much you want to believe it.

    Parents who abuse or kill one child often go on to harm another, yet the U.S. lacks a national system to prevent them from having or regaining custody of future children. Despite prior terminations of parental rights, many go on to reoffend, a systemic failure in child protection.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Way to cowardly backtrack on the serial child murder allegations, a thing that does not happen. Why are you not posting evidence of that? Oh right, it's because you made it up.

    Yes, you likely will get children in and out of the foster care system, because drug addiction tends to be a really big issue, and not sure if you're aware of anything, but people tend to relapse a significant portion of the time. However, that isn't child murder, a thing you said happens, so let's focus on that. Is the child murder in the room with you right now?

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    All rights stem from bodily autonomy.

    And yeah, with black men being the objects of white psychosexual fears this has a lot of opportunity to become yet another means of disproportionate suffering of black men at the hands of the justice system and for eugenics.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For every 100 sexual assaults reported to the police against girls and women, only 18 lead to a prosecution.

    So imagine what that number looks like for all sexual assaults against women and girls.

    No State government gives a tiny shit about women getting raped. It's just a cudgel to punish poor men and maintain the illusion that law enforcement protects women in America.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, I've seen how little cops care first hand. In fact, they managed to focus more on the race of the perpetrator, while ignoring the footprints that clearly indicated that they were wrong about how he got in.

    If the justice system actually cared about victims of sexual violence they'd focus on tried and true known methods of reducing recidivism and they'd actually test rape kits

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  • Any time they wanna make a new punishment or criminalize some behavior I figure it’s just because they don’t plan on applying it to white people.

    I’ve never figured wrong on this.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Iranian morality police bad. American morality police good.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Bad idea, there are a lot of false convictions. If you wrongly get catsrated that is it.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Everything is so fucking backwards right now it's insane. We've hardly given progress a fair shake.
    Bunch of grunting fools.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If the 8th amendment doesn't apply to this, idk what it would ever apply to.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Next bill up for vote: Cutting off hands of shoplifters, and cutting children in half for parents fighting a custody battle.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In most of the southern states, having sex with children is legal if you marry them first. (And minors can’t file for divorce!)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Coincidentally, (IIRC) most child marriages are because of pregnancy.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Adult males were fathers of 24.3% of babies born to mothers aged 11-12 years. The mean age of fathers was 22.7 years. Adult males were fathers of 26.8% of babies born to mothers aged 13-14 years.

    My teenage mother didn’t marry my father (she was 15, he was in his twenties), but she did immediately find another guy to marry and get knocked up by. She was so fucked up by this that she told me that my biological father was an entirely different adult man (who she had never had sex with but had a crush on). If I had been born male, then she would have named me after a classmate she thought was cute.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Wonder which states will see a rise in weaponizing rape and misandry following this discussion.

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  • Wow cool so I guess we’re gonna get to see what Christian-flavored sharia religious laws look like in the states. Are we gonna get an all-America version of the morality police too?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    If anything, castrating a sex offender makes it _easier _ for him to commit offences.

    Far less DNA evidence plus the relative ease of cis men getting testosterone and erectile dysfunction pills.

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    I might be okay with castration for violent rape. The problem is when it's considered a sex crime for an 18 year old to have sex with a 17 year old. And a lot of other things are branded as sex crimes that shouldn't be. And Republicans want to make it a sex crime to be gay or transgender

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's sick and disgusting.

    And what about female offenders?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Coming to all 50 states next year.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Rape is about power, not sex. Why is this being discussed?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Except if it's done against Republicans, then it's funny

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Mostly cruel and pointless, of all sex crimes against children for example only a minority are sexually motivated

    Much of this crime is perpetrated by people that can't "fit in" with other social groups so this action may increase the likelihood of reoffending

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    So we can assume they will start with rooting out all the pedophile clergy, yes? No more "transfers" from one small town to the next set of vulnerable rubes?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    "pointless" haha.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    Maybe they can study all the balls and clits to figure once and for all how to make our sex organs much much bigger naturally.

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Impotence and sexual frustration are common factors in a lot of sexual assaults. That's not to say everyone who is impotent or experiences sexual frustration will commit a crime, but we're talking about a subset of people who are already known to have committed sex crimes.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I recollect Anton Chikitilko (sp?) from Rostov, Russia, had a seuxal disorder where basically he was only able to achieve full arousal and ejaculation when he was doing what he was doing to his victims... So I agree it is a disorder to some degree.

    Theoretically, though, you could "remove" even the potential of solving impotence, which would change the game. But IDK. I am not like some luddite here who is fully on board with the policy. I would say I am undecided.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    How about it's never actually been proven to work, and it's primarily been used as a form of torture for LGBTQA+ people. Every study of the subject included either willing volunteers, a sample already predisposed towards ensuring its effectiveness, or gay men at a time and place where it was a crime to be gay.

    Consider for a moment the scientific rigor and motivationa for doctors involved in such experiments. Medical researchers, educated in statistics, make obvious mistakes in research design and then reach conclusions that are unsupported by math. If it isn't motivated by homophobia, then sadism seems to be the next most plausible explanation.

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