I love leather, but I don’t love killing, so I just have a bunch of fake leather jackets – and they suck. I would love lab grown leather and lab grown meat.
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Yay!
Very soon we will have fake real skin on dildos!
The only thing I’m interested in is the energy required to produce one kilo of each type, the cow’s lifetime methane emissions and the labs CO2 emissions.
I'm a leather craftsman, the majority of hides used in the industry are from cattles animals destined to meat consumption. Which means that skin is a by-product of our meat usage and would be destroyed if we didn't use it elsewhere, like making bags and all. The only animals that are killed only for their skin are the "exotic" ones, like snakes, crocodiles, frogs, ... etc. Which for me is kind of sad to see.
I'm excluding fur from all of this.
I mean we need to reduce our meat consumption anyway, especially beef for climate change and land/water use reasons, so it would be nice to have a leather backup once the current supply of beef cattle starts to dry up.
Lab grown meat is sort of a thing too. Its a good opportunity to cut down on natural meat production though i assume there are many other things used from a body that will still needed but maybe can be made effectively synthetically
Lab grown meat is fed serum from killed cows. It's all bullshit.
You talking about the stem cells or cell lines? If so thats not true from what I read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat
“Cell lines can be collected from a primary source, i.e., through a biopsy on an animal under local anesthesia. They could also be established from secondary sources such as cryopreserved cultures (cultures frozen after previous research)”
And even if it were, it would at the very least reduce the amount of cow killing necessary as you get more meat per cow since meat can be grown. I also dont know how many times stem cells can be reused but they are often reused as indicated in the above quote.
As long as its cost is the same or higher, nothing will come from this. Similarly to synthetic mica in cosmetics. It's not only free from the ethical issues, but also higher quality. And yet, almost all companies continue using natural mica - sourced from India's child labor - because it's cheaper.
Another example is gelatin in jellies. It's disgusting and makes inferior candies, but it's cheaper and so all the companies use it.
The market's invisible hand, eh?
Can you tell me more about gelatin? It makes inferior candies compared to..?
Agar is the best literal gelatin alternative, though it's incredibly rare in jellies.
Where I live, vegan/gelatin-free jellies are usually made with either Pectin or with a mix of wheat flour, coconut oil and rapeseed oil. The latter is fairly common, and somehow makes delicious jellies. Even meat eaters I know agree that they are considerably better.
That's new to me. Where I live agar is the inferior (read: less desirable, cheapest) ingredient to jellies when compared to gelatin (most common, but more expensive than agar) or konjac (best imo).
My personal preference is also konjac, then gelatin. I haven't tried this pectin stuff.
What do you call the jelly made with coconut and rapeseed oil?
Agar may very well be inferior to gelatin. I've only tried it once or twice, because it's insanely rare in my area. And I've never seen konjac jellies, so can't say anything here.
What do you call the jelly made with coconut and rapeseed oil?
I don't think it has any name of its own. It's just some mass made of wheat flour, coconut oil, rapeseed oil and corn starch (forgot about this one earlier). Also not sure if all these ingredients are always together. You can find this combination in German company Trolli's vegan jellies. Definitely others too, but this one comes to mind right now.
Konjac is from East Asia afaik, a plant extract (probably from a plant of the same name) It has a chewy texture that I really like. Also touted for being zero calories, has become a 'healthy food filler'.
From your description the rapeseed/coconut oil 'jelly' sounds more like a pudding?
Just give me dragon leather
I don't know if that image is the lab-grown or not, but I came here to say it looks like balls.
![those are balls] (https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/48c8b40f-4b35-47dc-9107-6570834a3837.gif)
I love this, and I hope they find success with this. I also hope they find a way to make it not look like something out of Ed Gein's collection, because right now it's hideous.
who is very much alive, grazing at an animal sanctuary in upstate New York.
Riiiiiight. A farm upstate.
Did we finally figure out how to get four steaks worth of meat from a horse without killing it?
I feel this has to be a reference to something… And I really want to know
You'll still get shit from PETA.
PETA's only thing is to remind people of the existence of PETA. They are a con of an activism org and can suck my metaphorical dick.
It doesn't matter how perfect you are, Peta will find something bad about you.
sorry i like organic, free range, USDA, non-gmo, fairtrade leather. no big pharma stuff /s
Pretty sure all leather comes from some cow who was living at one point...😛
FFS....lab grown meat, lab grown cow skin cells, they all grow being fed fetal bovine serum, which is not taken by donation.
sustainable breakthrough that could cut emissions and eliminate slaughter in the $400 billion leather industry
Seems pretty pointless when leather is a byproduct of slaughter for meat, and meat (not leather) drives the demand for cows. Even at 0 leather demand, cow slaughter & their impact on the environment would continue at the same levels.
For the slow: if we switched entirely to lab-grown leather, then what would we do with the unused cowhide stripped from butchered cows? Let it go to waste while redundantly pumping unnecessary resources to grow the same thing in the lab? That's massively stupid.
This reminds me of the invention of edible food wrappers entirely missing the point of wrappers protecting the food from contamination which would now include the wrapper needing protection.
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