You would still want it as a baseline comparison for the experimental groups.

As a human survival trait we need to find a way to shut down misinformation. Knowledge is our path to survival as an animal. Like ants have teamwork and building, wildebeest have speed, plants photosynthesise, humans learn.

By creating and spreading misinformation you're chipping away at pretty much the only thing that keeps us in existence.

Bit of a broad-strokes extreme takeaway from your comment there, but it got to me.

Misogyny is a helluva drug

Do they forget that estrogen is also a steroid?

Ugh I had an older colleague, a PhD organic chemist, who was absolutely convinced that soy would make me (m) infertile. I ordered tofu once when out to lunch and he would not stop warning me to "be careful" and to be mindful of starting a family and "you know those studies." When I mentioned that the consensus was at best inconclusive and most likely there is no such link, he said that no, "they" definitely showed that excess soy is bad and that he worried about my reproductive health. Like dude even if eating tofu did cause reproductive health issues, mine is none of your goddamn business. On the other hand, the same guy is also convinced that BPA (another estrogen mimic used esp. in certain plastics) concerns are a total hoax because "they did bad science because their sample containers had BPA in them and it leached into the urine samples giving false positive." Also something about the only evidence of it binding like estrogen was that someone glanced at a crystal structure and halfassedly thought it looked like it might fit and rolled with it for career reasons. Like, I don't know, man, maybe a couple studies used containers made with BPA, but most probably didn't. I haven't read them, but I know you didn't, either. Also, you're literally a petrochemist, you know BPA is mostly used in polycarbonates, and lab plastics, especially for analytical work, are mostly polypropylene or polyethylene designed to avoid exactly this kind of leaching. Honestly.

bigger issue with these powders and shit (least in the US) is that damn near non-existent food/drug safety oversight means that your probably getting dosed with a bunch of lead or some other contaminate...

Creatine is still very much a thing, but I think everyone actually knows what it is and what it does and it's not treated as a magic bullet any more.

Mainly what seems to have changed is that steroids and TRT have exploded in popularity, and a scary number of under 18s are doing it.

Apart from that I couldn't tell you, it's all happening on Insta and TikTok now and I don't participate.

Meat and dairy contains hormones that increase estrogen and reduce testosterone, not plants.

Where I live grocery stores are a terrible example, all the plant proteins are jacked up in price with marketing about how it's organic and vegan and will cure cancer yada yada. And then the wheys they sell are blends with low actual protein content and/or poor aminos.

I buy my protein from a bulk supplements supplier, and soy is 75% of the cost of the cheapest whey, gram for gram of actual protein content.

I get my protein from Canadian protein dot com. The vegan protein is the same price as the whey concentrate and a little cheaper than the whey isolate.

I've never gotten it before mostly because I'm a creature of habit but might get some to try the next time I order because the dairy has not been sitting well with my stomach lately.

It appears to be mostly pea, brown rice and hemp.

Oh I know right bro, right? Bro?

Oh my god, everyone look at how tough this tough guy is!

Perhaps you mean phytoestrogen? Another commenter suggested that the applicable phytoestrogen found in soy may actually be protective against excess estrogen.

Shit man, I think I need to hop on this soy boy train myself!

It's fitting too because I've been taking in a little extra protein and putting on some muscle for the past few months due to some hobby stuff that led to construction projects, lol.

What was the original title, just to make some of the comments make sense? I can't seem to find a way to lookup the history

Right, for the average person, protein supplements are unnecessary as long as they are healthy and eat well.

Athletes (and people with body dysmorphia 😬) might struggle to get enough protein in their diet. But, far too many people think they’re in a position that would warrant supplements when just a little attention to diet is sufficient.

Unless the study controlled for the subjects' regular diet and non supplement protein, its conclusions don't mean much.

For example, if I get 100+g of protein on a typical day then, a 19g protein bar is a nice addition, but it's in the minority compared to the rest of my protein sources.

Huh? It’s what the research is about.

The full article is linked right here in the post. It reviews the background of why they're studying this

What relevance does that have?

Well, exposing the click bait in the title and providing context about the actual study involved is relevant because ...it exposes the click bait in the title and provides context about the actual study involved.

Plenty of studies in the past have already demonstrated dietary plant protein is just as good for you as animal protein.

This is not relevant to the context of the article, and like the vegan at a party, it's good information but not part of the discussion about protein supplements during strength training except as an adjacent fact about diet and not about strength training directly nor supplements.

Even love?

And all of chemistry is just physics.

Well, except for nuclear physics...