The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

 A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

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[–] 215 points 1 year ago (39 children)

How is this all normal and ok?

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  • [–] [S] 128 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    It's not normal. It's ok until the majority of America accepts what can really be done with that database Trump is having Palantir build.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Who's Palantir? I sort if live under a rock. Yes I looked it up. I'm asking for the general scoop.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Palantir, as you know is the all seeing stone in LOTR, THiel is obsessed with LOTR for the wrong reasons, he named several companies after lotr themes: MITHIRL, andurl, lembas,,,etc. Peter thiel is the funds behind AI tech that palantir uses, which is used by the military and now by Some LEO. basically a spying software with AI.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    More than just America need to stand against Israel.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Except we're the purse, so if we truly oppose it, we can easily make it stop.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    i think the military has been using thiels palintir for at least 10 years already. TRump just made it more obvious, because hes a loudmouth. thiel loved to stay out of the spotlight of the news for many reasons. everytime he was in the news, its never is good for him.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not just the military. I found out Palantir had a contract with my own city to develop and test their predictive policing technology until 2018. https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predictive-policing-tool-new-orleans-nopd

    The city banned predictive policing and facial recognition tech, then quietly lifted the ban and replaced it with a very concerning ordinance in 2022. https://thelensnola.org/2022/02/17/mayor-cantrell-moves-to-reverse-bans-on-facial-recognition-predictive-policing-and-other-surveillance-tech/

    Then it came out that the city wasn't even following the rules they had created in the sketchy ordinance. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/05/19/live-facial-recognition-police-new-orleans/

    The private surveillance company using the facial recognition tech (which was created during the time Palantir was still under contract with the city, but is allegedly totally unrelated to Palantir 🙄) couldn't keep providing the real time facial recognition tracking to city police bc WaPo exposed they were violating the ordinance. However, since it's only a city ordinance and they're a private company, they can still provide it to literally anyone else in the city (state police, federal agents, ICE, military).

    They've already been doing a lot of shady shit to American citizens, and it's naive to just trust that they won't eventually start using these kinds of AI drone weapons on American soil.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    red light cameras already using facial recognition, to catch would be "runners of red light", LEO was already using PAlintr PRIOR TO trump announcing "all agencies must use palintir, to target democrats"

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's absolutely not okay, but since there will be no negative consequences for it whatsoever, it's the new normal. This is sadly what happens when laws are not enforced, and I'm not sure if anything even can be done anymore...

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It should be normal. People helping an evil state get nukes, deserve to die. Unfortunately what's normal nowadays is sitting around fat and lazy and letting NK become a nuclear power.

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  • [+] -34 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Europeans did the genocide and took over America, in a much larger scale. Israel is just a smaller copy cat. The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.

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  • [–] [S] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [+] -21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Truth is hard to swallow. Regardless, people are dying anyway.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Truth is hard to swallow

    Apparently Israel's cock is not

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Equating Israel to USA in its right to exist is not swallowing its cock.

    They are right. Except one problem still can be solved, the other not so much. Maybe a few centuries after now somebody will think of something. Slow demographic changes and more modern weapons, that stuff.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why not, "and genocide is wrong in both cases," rather than, "and thus they're both okay?"

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Because USA will never admit its disgusting foundations on genocide, slavery, etc. They would rather jerk off dead enslavers and continue supporting genocide.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Insane that there are people who actually believe this shit.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.

    Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    As usual this is teenage boy logic. They are posing with their guns as recruitment propaganda. No it’s a super secret magic cool gun from god you haven’t even heard of it because it’s so futuristic and we’re cool so not at all evil, right

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Funny how precise they can be when they want to be.

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  • [–] [S] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    It's guaranteed the number of bystanders that were killed while they killed these "targets" is not zero.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Bet it isn’t a refugee camp sized amount nor an entire city blocks worth though.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    Are you ok with just accepting any innocent humans as collateral damage? Bc as far as slippery slopes go, accepting that is a fast track to dehumanization.

    I don't believe those scientists deserved to die, but even if you do, why did their spouses and children deserve to die too?

    Try to imagine you're the neighbor of that scientist. Good chance you've barely interacted with each other more than a passing nod of acknowledgement when you're coming and going from your home. Do you and your whole family deserve to die bc of proximity to a target?

    Apply that same question x all 10 scientists they killed. It almost makes the KGB targeting people with poison seem like humanitarian work by comparison.

    If these were your friends and family being killed by a foreign government while they slept in their beds, you would have to be a psychopath to just brush it off as necessary collateral damage.

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  • [–] 186 points 1 year ago (41 children)

    Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

    This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel's current actions say this wasn't a simple "what if..." contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.

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  • [–] 100 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    This was clear since such a big and supposedly effective intelligence apparatus failed to stop or warn about the Hamas attack that gave Israel pretext to go full ethnic cleaning and warmongering.

    They knew, they allowed it, and paid a modest price in Israeli casualties to kickstart their plan. Also, Ukraine was attracting all the war funding, they couldn’t risk USA reducing their military allowance.

    I hate that USA is enabling them, and at the same time being hipocritical about wanting a peaceful solution. Cut their funding if you want to stop them. Freeze their assets like NATO did with Russia. Act, don’t talk.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It would take one phone call from the President, and the genocide would stop. Biden could have done it, and Trump still can. I don’t see the US governments unwavering support of Israel ever ending.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You'll need to elaborate if you want to actually contribute.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    The president of the US doesn't have their hand up the PM of Israel's ass. This is especially true of Biden who was known to be on his way out either way. We can withdraw support but its difficult for the US pres to do so unilaterally when Israel is politically popular on both side. Given the lack of power to make it stick such a phone call from Biden would have been ignored in favor of waiting for a change of regime.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Who upvotes this shit? Are people here really this naive?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don’t see how that is naive at all. We prop Israel up. If the president calls Bibi and threatens to stop all aid, unless they imposed a ceasefire, it would happen. They have so much power, tech and weaponry because we give it to them. If we pointed the barrel of the most powerful military on earth at them, they would cease immediately.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can't never make mistakes bs.

    Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn't mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure there were reputable news articles right after Oct 7th that said that Israel's intelligence was basically aware but decided to ignore it/dismiss it. So in this case they willfully ignored it for some reason, I wonder why..

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    I mean, that's not really surprising. Every military makes plans for any contingency, and Israel especially has always been paranoid about Iran's nuclear programme, so of course they would make sure they're tracking the scientists in case they needed to make a move.

    The disgusting part is them just pulling the trigger for political reasons instead of actual intelligence that indicates a breakout. And obviously killing civilians, which the scientists and their families are, but obviously Israel has shown in the past they don't care about that.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Every military makes plans for any contingency,

    In defense, to respond to an attack. The word contingency is important.

    If the military is planning acts of aggression then that is called preparing for war.

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  • [+] -21 points 1 year ago (16 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    It's civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.

    You're part of the problem.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.

    Is it though? What level of enrichment do they need for a nuclear energy program, and what level of enrichment were they at? I think it’s naive to say they weren’t working on a weapon.

    I’m not saying it justifies killing civilian scientists, but we ought to be honest about the why.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Where is the evidence that they are working on a weapon? There are people getting murdered because people have become brainwashed enough to just assume Iran is working on a nukes.

    I'm just saying, killing civilians on the basis of assumption is a pretty terrorist move and feels very similar to how Iraq was bombed to hell by America. But hey, that's just my 2 cents.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    According to the IAEA, the Natanz site was producing uranium enriched to 60% u-235.

    For electricity, you need 3-5% u-235.

    That’s not an energy program, that’s a weapons program.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And it's on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And it's on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.

    Okay. Don’t use your reason if you’d prefer not to. It does make me wonder though:

    Do you think the killing of the civilian scientists was wrong because they were civilian scientists, or because they were ostensibly working on an energy program?

    Because as I said, I’m not claiming the murders were justified, just that we ought to be honest about the why.

    There are plenty making the argument that Iran needs a nuclear weapons program to prevent exactly these types of attacks. That is intellectually honest. I’m not sure where I fall on that argument, I’d rather no one have nuclear weapons (but obviously that’s not going to happen).

    The difference between 5% and 60% enrichment is pretty huge. And the research and effort required to get there is neither cheap nor easy. If what they’re after is nuclear energy, there is absolutely no reason to continue risking the ire of the international community and the repeated attacks by Israel. They’ve had energy-level uranium for a very long time already.

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    I'm not saying they couldn't be. I'm saying that the official body meant to oversee this has not yet put out proof that they are. So we can imagine all we want. If the professional independent watchdog that is checking for this has not officially made a statement with undeniable proof that they are, they aren't.

    Who has more insight in the matter, you or the IAEA?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Iran has the right to defend themselves and israel has proven again that Iran is in need of this defense.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    But that is their dream for the future. Purely automatically managing the populace as some sort of a farm.

    It's an arms race. Like at any other point in history. Between those who think personal dignity and freedom and equality are a mistake of history or a device to keep the herd patient, and that they deserve to rule, and those who don't.

    The good part is that this has already been tried. A fast system with deadlocks is not that different from a slow system with deadlocks. And a big redundant system deterministically degrading in itself is not that different from a smaller less redundant system deterministically degrading in itself. No USSR and no Nazi Germany anymore on the map.

    The parts about lying and false pretense of law and democracy are new, but not too much - rulers of Frederic the Great's time had false pretenses of knightly behavior and following imperial mechanisms. One can even compare 30 years war to our two world wars in the sense of creating a new world order, which was considered impossible to change due to endless horrors following that, but eventually become a farce.

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