I have a lot more respect for someone that does something wrong and then admits and fixes it than someone who does something wrong and then does nothing but deny and deflect.
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Disappointing that the linked article doesn't include a photo of the tattoo. When a report lacks important relevant information, the reader has a choice to take it for its word or seek out supporting facts. So, when I searched for Planter Nazi Tattoo, there are plenty of articles taking the opposing tone - in that he knew what the tattoo was.
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2025/10/21/2349761/-Not-one-diary-or-mention-about-Graham-Platner-s-Nazi-tattoo-Really This sounds more like he has been aware of what the tattoo represented and he hasn't really cared about it until now. Which I personally find much more believable. Good on him for getting it covered up but, ehhh. Maybe don't believe every word a politician exhales.
I don't know this person or anything about Maine. I don't really care either. But journalism needs to be held accountable. I expect more from PBS / AP.
I'm tired, boss
Some people are very very angry that Graham Platner is a communist because they found deleted Reddit posts from years and years ago and that's why they can't support him and you shouldn't either
Some people are very very angry that Graham Platner is a secret Nazi has a death's head tattoo even though he's very very clearly not a secret Nazi. This whole endeavor is honestly a textbook example of Control the Conversation. We're not talking about whether Graham is a Nazi (the "frame"), because he's clearly not. We're talking about the "next argument" -- whether he covered it up and why, whether it might indicate that he's another Simena, all that kind of stuff.
Honestly, to me, the fact that Chuck Schumer, lemmy.ml, and the mainstream media are all falling over themselves to manufacture little scandals about this guy is the strongest indication so far that he is probably the real deal. Personally, I don't give a shit whether Jewish Insider found it in their heart for some random reason to start reporting something from some anonymous source who swears he's actually a Nazi actually we can't make that argument, but we are going to say he knew this was a Totenkamf he got accidentally and we can kind of imply that other thing. Even though detailed analysis of his not-intended-for-public-viewing Reddit communications seems to show the exact opposite. And of course we can do other equally honest things like grabbing one Facebook photo from right before Graham told the 88 guy to fuck off and pretend it means something. And of course we're performatively freaking out, to a different audience, about how he's a secret communist instead, and that's why we can't vote for him.
I'm so so tired boss. I hate that our social media is this way. I actually took some screenshots of the comments here before the army of "Graham is a problem" people showed up, and it was all normal. No one was saying something that was a little off the main point of what they were implying, no one was vigorously responding over and over to anyone who disagreed with them, none of that. It was just people, most of whom actually seemed like they took the take "well he's clearly not a Nazi and he is talking about medicare for all and other things we really badly need so what they fuck even is this."
I'm tired
Edit: Also no one was claiming firsthand experience in the military that proved that Graham was lying, while also not knowing shit about how the military works, and other equally honest comments, read on if you want to see some bullshit
Whether he is or isn’t is irrelevant, it’s the image of him portrayed by media that counts. The medium is the message. You should really look into Vladislav Surkov, the architect of Russia’s post-truth society, which the Trump admin imported to the states and is now common practice. The guy is clearly an idiot, maybe he means well but again that is irrelevant. This has Republican hit job written all over it from the get-go, I wouldn’t be surprised if Collins team found out about the tattoo (before he even decided to run) and directed “political technicians” to infiltrate his social circle and subtly nudge this guy to run, consequently becoming an unwitting accomplice to sabotage a genuine left-wing movement.
I may be reading too much into it, but consider “His former political director said he "knows damn well" what the tattoo signifies.”.
I understand you’ve invested a lot of emotional energy into this guy. It’s best to disconnect those feelings from things you can’t change, if he wins he wins, if not that’s ok, learn and grow from the experience.
The guy is clearly an idiot, maybe he means well but again that is irrelevant.
This part, I halfway agree with. I don't think he's an idiot, but I do think that him coming as an outsider and maybe not being super-skilled at politics and policy might hurt his ability to be effective. It's pretty much the only downside that I see to him. But then, counterbalance that against the upside that there is something about him that makes the establishment start making up all kinds of malicious innuendos about him, and the fact that no one he's running against even seems to mean well, and it winds up that for now at least I am fine supporting him.
I understand you’ve invested a lot of emotional energy into this guy.
No idea what you're talking about. I am emotional about the truth, and defending our systems of media against malicious interference. I don't even know if this guy is a good idea or not, I just know that these particular smears against him are very clearly a bunch of shit, and that's the part that's got me heated up about it.
Ahh gotcha, well I recommend reading some Baudrillard, you’re angry over something that doesn’t exist anymore (if it ever did). Truth is all just relative now, shifting like sand in the desert.
Truth is all just relative now, shifting like sand in the desert.
The truth is truth. It's not relative, it's not subjective, it's not ideological, and it's not partisan - it just is.
Truth is all just relative now, shifting like sand in the desert.
Even in the realm of science, there is no such thing as absolute truth, at least not in any capacity humans can ever understand. We have theories based on empirical evidence which we accept as “truth” because that is as good as we can get, some things have more truth than others, which closes the gap on things we have to take as self-evident and better align with understanding and reality.
Refer to Agrippa’s trilemma: it is theoretically impossible to prove any truth.
"Your lies have already poisoned the world!"
"Then I shall write another book," said Didactylos calmly. "Think how it will look-proud Didactylos swayed by the arguments of the Omnians. A full retraction. Hmm? In fact, with your permission, lord-I know you have much to do, looting and burning and so on-I will retire to my barrel right away and start work on it. A universe of spheres. Balls spinning through space. Hmm. Yes. With your permission, lord, I will write you more balls than you can imagine..."
The old philosopher turned and, very slowly, walked towards the exit.
Vorbis watched him go.
Brutha saw him half-raise his hand to signal the guards, and then lower it again.
Vorbis turned to the Tyrant.
"So much for your-" he began.
"Coo-ee!" The lantern sailed through the doorway and shattered against Vorbis's skull. "Nevertheless... the Turtle Moves!"
Vorbis leapt to his feet.
"I-" he screamed, and then got a grip on himself. He waved irritably at a couple of the guards. "I want him caught. Now. And... Brutha?"
Brutha could hardly hear him for the rush of blood in his ears. Didactylos had been a better thinker than he'd thought.
Nice reference.
Although I’m not demanding absolute truth, I mean in the context of society truth is relative and convincing everyone of truth (not absolute, but the best objective truth we have) is virtually impossible, if you want to convince people it has to be simple and seductive, a caricature of the truth, a lie. Half the country subscribes to magical thinking, and most place more value in image over substance.
Not sure you're responding to the right person. Maybe get some sleep, boss.
Definitely I am responding to the right person.
It's not really for you. It's for the people who read your comment and then had the same reaction I did. Apparently there are quite a few of them.
My statement was in regard to PBS not including a photo of the thing the story is about.
Was it, though? Was it?
This sounds more like he has been aware of what the tattoo represented and he hasn’t really cared about it until now. Which I personally find much more believable. Good on him for getting it covered up but, ehhh. Maybe don’t believe every word a politician exhales.
Yes. It was. But you go ahead and cherry-pick the content that fits your narrative. I'm just trying to tell you you're wasting your time responding to me.
I am so tired of the smear attempts and the bots and the purity test police trying to fuck up the best thing that's happened in my state in a decade. If you don't live here, and won't be voting in our elections, please fuck off. I understand that he is being elected to a national office, but reflect on how you would feel if a bunch of people from away deliberately tried to prevent a progressive from being elected in your home district. I doubt anyone anonymously detracting from Graham has had a chance to meet him, hear him speak, or shake his hand and look him in the eye. I have, and I think my bullshit filters are pretty up to date. Platner is a genuine guy actually pushing for change and the establishment is being pretty transparent in their attempts to stymie him.
I’m a Mainer and I worry that this guy is going to be the new Sinema. Say all the right things and then swing hard right after the election. I grew up in Piscataquis county and knew plenty of guys like him who seem ok until you start digging and find out they believe in some awful stuff.
Someone having Nazi tattoos isn’t someone I want as a senator even if those tattoos were accidentally acquired.
Also people from away can have an opinion because the senate is country wide. Having a disingenuous person in the senate affects everyone (cough Fetterman cough).
Well, you can now read his full reddit comment history if you wanna know what he's about.
What if it DOES matter if they did it deliberately or accidentally, and it DOES matter how they respond when confronted about it? What if they're humans who make mistakes, and are able to own them like an adult?
Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good, that's the left wing cat herding part that earned us this fascist takeover in the first place. If you have someone better to vote for, by all means. But you can always convince yourself that the progressive candidate is secretly a right wing extremist. Always. That's right there with QAnon rational.
I grew up in Piscataquis county and knew plenty of guys like him
You know lots of people from Piscataquis county who call themselves communists and are really vocal about medicare for all?
I know lots of people who seem nice and genuine and wanting to help people until you start asking them questions about their beliefs. And I'm not talking specifically Piscataquis. People in the county are like that too. And downeast too. That's why I'm extremely wary of someone who has had nazi tattoos on their body.
Are you saying there are people who might misrepresent their political beliefs and background, and be disingenuous for some kind of ulterior political motive? And we need to be wary of them and ask probing questions and think critically about what they're saying and what reasons they might have?
Personally, as a veteran of this comments thread, I actually think you might be onto something.
Backpedal harder
I'm not sure how my comment can be taken as a backpedal but whatever.
What I find funny is how much you downvote. I mean wow. Maybe if you dislike everything you should take a break from the internet for a bit.
It's called motte and bailey. And yes, they do it constantly.
The difference with Fetterman is that his background was as a rich nepo-baby who got his start in politics getting elected mayor and having major government functions flow through his family's charity.
My understanding of why fetterman got such a good rap, was because of his social media strategy being run by an especially talented progressive campaign staffer who (I wish I had the citation sorry) I believe has since denounced him as an elected official
For Platner there really is nothing that smells insincere about him to me. Definitely questionable judgment, but scheduling a tattoo coverup basically the instant it became a campaign issue is a plus in my book. But I'm not from Maine so I'm not going to push too hard for any candidate
So you would rather risk Janet Mills doing exactly nothing positive than risk Graham turning right? Have you listened to what he has to say vs what Sinnema had? It's definitely different. It's sad to me that people are so desperate to paint him with his past. How many of us haven't made pretty awful choices? If we want an Everyman progressive we're going to have to accept some skeletons imo. If Mills wins the primary LePage is going to sweep the general.
When your past involves Nazi symbolism it isn’t a little mistake. When the skeletons in your closet are a totenkopf i think we can safely discard that person as a serious candidate.
Fake progressives aren’t any better than corporate progressives. In fact they're worse because you don’t actually know what they believe. At least with corporate shills you know that they’ll work to fill theirs and their benefactors pockets.
Does anything other than the style of the skull and crossbones of his ex-tattoo suggest that he is in any way a Nazi or fascist?
You mean other than the fact he was a guy interested in military symbology and kept a known nazi symbol on his body for 17 years?
Personally i learned about the totenkopf when i was in basic training (in 2001, he enlisted in ‘03 so same time frame) when they showed us tattoos that you can’t have in the military. He doesn’t really have any excuse.
Interesting, so how did the military not reprimand him for it? Do you think his ignorance is unlikely then, and that he actually made an effort to conceal it?
Personally i learned about the totenkopf when i was in basic training (in 2001, he enlisted in ‘03 so same time frame) when they showed us tattoos that you can’t have in the military.
Fascinating. So presumably, he wasn't permitted to have this tattoo that you can't have in the military because it's a Nazi symbol? He got it in 2007, and then wasn't permitted to have it in the military when he reenlisted in 2010?
Tell me more about your personal experience with this particular topic, which enables you to speak with authority on it. What were some of the other symbols they showed you? It's lucky that we have some military people and some people from Maine showing up here to speak from a place of authority about why Graham Platner is officially bad and we can't vote for him.
The hill you've chosen to die on today is the fact that you don't think it's possible for US military personnel to get away with having Nazi or Ultra right wing nationalists tattoos? That's the hill you've chosen? That thing that we've seen dozens and dozens of times before? Your pal the Secretary of Defense has them from when he was in the military. But that's the thing you can't buy into? Okay.
you don’t think it’s possible for US military personnel to get away with having Nazi or Ultra right wing nationalists tattoos
I didn't say that. Mostly, I am saying that this guy is very very clearly not a Nazi, and so the broad-spectrum freakout about this particular tattoo is an establishment funded psyop which people on Lemmy should not be dutifully freaking out about when prompted to by the media.
What I said about the military personnel side was just that the specific details of how that one other user is claiming it works in the military are definitely false.
Oh he's very clearly not a Nazi is he? The guy with a Nazi tattoo on his chest? The guy who's now very clearly lying about said tattoo? An ex marine? Sure very clear. What you mean to say is his current political campaign rhetoric doesn't appear to be openly Nazi based. Well thank God we would never fall for campaign rhetoric that goes against all previous records of a person cough Fetterman cough. Maybe the psyop you should be concerned about is another Democrat getting into the Senate and then immediately voting against what Democrat voters actually want.
Also I'm confused by your last paragraph there. If you're not saying that these kind of tattoos never get by the military sometimes then how is it definitely false what the other guys claiming? So which is it do they sometimes get through like he claims or they never get through like you were suggesting and now have suggested once again they are with that sentence? Can't be both.
Also I’m confused by your last paragraph there. If you’re not saying that these kind of tattoos never get by the military sometimes then how is it definitely false what the other guys claiming? So which is it do they sometimes get through like he claims or they never get through like you were suggesting and now have suggested once again they are with that sentence? Can’t be both.
You're becoming hoisted by your own control-the-conversation.
It is fine for a person with this tattoo to be in the military, because it's not a Nazi tattoo any more than the Iron Cross is a Nazi tattoo. That is an obvious conclusion that can be drawn just from the pure fact that this guy was in the military. It's only confusing if you are accepting the premise that it's an overtly and exclusively Nazi tattoo (to the same extent as having an SS lightning bolt or a swastika or something).
The objective fact of this guy being allowed to be in the military with this tattoo is a problem for the people who are pretending it's a Nazi tattoo, so one commenter tried to explain away that discrepancy by pretending that the US military is just lax and inconsistent about tattoo enforcement. I can actually believe that idea in some circumstances and depending on the details, but the person didn't know what they're talking about, so they doubled down about some weird aspects of what they were claiming in ways that revealed that they were definitely lying. They didn't know enough about the subject matter to make a well-constructed lie (which also betrays the fact that they were making up stuff they were talking about, which is it own whole type of interesting and important).
Hope that clears up your confusion.
Okay so you cleared my Confusion by doubling down and saying that the US military would never allow Nazi tattoos. Good to know. That is the hill you've decided to die on. Well seeing as how that silly statement goes against literal reality I think we know who really knows what they're talking about in this conversation don't we? Hint it's not the guy now apologizing for blatantly Nazi tattoos. Straight up downplaying nazi iconography. Wow.
When did I say I was an authority or that you couldn't vote for him?
Yes people with nazi adjacent tattos exist in the army. The people who do the examinations can be nazi adjacent too and then those type of people fall through the cracks. Also you aren't really inspected on tattoos after your initial examination (at least when I was in the service). I mean, Hegseth has an iron cross and he's been in the military for a while too.
If you're trying to imply I'm not from Maine or didn't spend time in the military then you're mistaken. Not everyone online is a bot or shill.
PTB always has the worst take , and is probably whataboutism type of account.
Yes people with nazi adjacent tattos exist in the army. The people who do the examinations can be nazi adjacent too and then those type of people fall through the cracks.
Yes, that sure is how it works in the army. Everyone who's tasked with some responsibility just kind of lets things slide based on their personal feelings or allegiances, and no one notices later "hey this guy has a Nazi tattoo even though Frank was supposed to inspect him" or asks "so what the fuck is up with THAT" or follows up on it.
Also you aren’t really inspected on tattoos after your initial examination (at least when I was in the service).
Yes, you're definitely not inspected yearly for tattoos on any particular system. They're generally pretty lax about that stuff, as is well known, it's just kind of a free-for-all.
If you’re trying to imply I’m not from Maine or didn’t spend time in the military then you’re mistaken
My apologies Corporal
In the time frame we are talking about (early 2000s) he wouldn't have been inspected yearly. I had nipple rings for fucks sake. You think someone would have said something about them if I was inspected yearly? Absolutely. But I wasn't inspected except for the initial exam.
You sound like someone who is mad that they don't know anything so they spout sarcastic comments to try and feel good about themselves.
Be better.
I had nipple rings for fucks sake. You think someone would have said something about them if I was inspected yearly? Absolutely. But I wasn’t inspected except for the initial exam.
You had nipple rings the whole time you were in, and they were prohibited in your branch of service, and you just got away with it because... just no one in authority noticed or something?
I've never been in the military but I've known a bunch of people who were, and you are one thousand per cent full of shit.
Ok I'm done with this conversation. I feel like even if I told you my MOS and deployment schedules you'd still ask for more info so kindly piss off.
Go find someone else to question their life experience.
Do you think Janet Mills stands a chance in the general against LePage?
You know if you were trying to convince us of how benign the symbol is maybe you shouldn't be trying to whitewash the name of it? Why don't you just say Totenkopf? That's what it's called. That's what he's called it.
Maybe because most people have never even heard of a Totenkopf until now and wouldn't know what one looks like. The dailykos story about it called it the 2nd or 3rd most recognizable symbol of Nazis, but I've never seen the symbol before and had never heard that term before today. Is it really that well known?
It is not. It does appear on the list of a lot of symbols illegal in Germany today because of their association with Naziism or extremism, but it's obviously not the third most recognizable on that list (as well as having an obvious overlap with a general "yeah that's badass I want skull and crossbones" meaning, which seems obviously more plausible as the reason why this person who very very obviously is not a Nazi wanted to get this particular tattoo).
The fact that people are pretending so hard that this is a big deal and trying to force the connection between the tattoo and this person being a Nazi when there is literally no other reason known in the world for thinking he is a Nazi and quite a few to think he is not, tells you much more about them than it does about Graham Platner.
at least now you got a year to figure out of hes going to do the opposite he says. but the alternative it Chuck shcumers endorsed candidate.
Sinema told all of AZ she was a progressive too. Right until she got into office. Im sure her handshakes were also nice. Don't see how that's relevant.
Yeah you've got the right idea there. I too never vote for the candidate that markets themselves as progressive ever since Sinema. I'm playing the 4D chess route, always voting for the fascist just in case they're secretly a closet progressive.
I don't know if this is news to you or not, but you are allowed to be both skeptical and critical of a candidate without voting for the exact opposition party, especially when the primary is so far away you can't even register as a candidate for it yet. Hope this helps.
You should always be skeptical and critical of all candidates. So for you to whip it out like a novel argument for why you don't think anyone should vote for the most progressive option is absurd.
If there is a better candidate to vote for, absolutely do it. If this convinces YOU to run against him, that's great! But every candidate is going to have flaws, and as we hold out for the perfect person, fascism will continue to roll us over. It's a strategy that clearly doesn't help.
Example of purity testing/non-analogous argument.
Are they the same person? Did you meet Sinnema? Have you met Graham? Do you live in Maine? I don't live in Arizona and never had anything to say about her. So are you a Mainer, and if not, why are you involving yourself in our choice of representation?
I like how you talk about the strength of my arguement when the strength of yours is entirely based on your 'bullshit detector' as you call it. Really funny actually. Got anything to say why someone who researches military conflict for fun can't recognize official SS symbols? Or how about him knowing and using the official name the SS gave it?
I'm actually exhausted from all these stupid arguments and going to detach from them now. I think you call it touching grass .
Honestly that's more than fair, I know we don't agree on some stuff but have a solid one.
Whoa whoa whoa, wait a second. Both of you get back in here and have an internet fight. Don't even think of rationally resolving this trite debate without nine or ten back and forth fallacy exchanges.
I'm just so tired of arguing with people about the past. Nothing can change it, they don't have to trust him, but I wish they would just listen to what he has to say now, and allow themselves the understanding that people do actually change.
I'm going to his town hall Monday, I'm not going to engage with the Internet about it again until after that. I really hope some of the folks here make the effort to come ask him these hard questions to his face, in person. And I am happy to forward any {politely worded} questions to him then, if I get a chance beyond my own questions.
Formatting edit or two, dunno how to escape the italics and use a *
Nope, funny brackets it is.
That’s what a winner-take-all, two party system does to you.
It gets you talking in circles, fighting fellow leftists at the behest of think tanks to come to the defense of fascists because you can’t quite come to the conclusion the rest of us have: that it’s all stage-managed, astroturfed bullshit (these days being churned out by LLM’s posing as authentic accounts on Reddit and Lemmy and PieFED) to get legions of citizens to tacitly approve of their personal Manchurian candidate that will flip a switch when they get into office to funnel more money toward their true masters.
I didn't find out about this guy until yesterday, man.
It's a damn shame if he really is the genuine guy you think he is. A damn shame.
Because there's really no recovering from that big of a blunder and that's just reality. I would be devastated if I were you, and try to think of next steps because the ship has sailed on this guy. I'm sorry for that.
Agreed, but folks up here are seriously rallying around him right now. It doesn't seem as hopeless as it really should. Anybody that has met the man, and he is making a GIANT effort to meet anyone that cares, knows that his checkered past has no bearing on his desire for a better future. He is a shining example of human growth and what we should be defining Manliness by, ability to adapt, change and grow from a place of ignorance.
He sounds like a real one. All I know is Susan Collins fucked up bad and I look forward to her replacement.
Are you just going around old posts about Graham trying to smear him? Have you seen his lead? Get over it already bro.
A skull and crossbones sounds like a symbol that was co-opted by nazis but not an explicit nazi symbol. I didn't know that connection either. Without seeing it, that sounds more like a pirate symbol, or poison.
The pirate skull and crossbones is different from the one used by nazis. The pirate one has the skull facing forward and long bones behind. The nazi one is facing a bit to the side and only the snobby joint parts of the bones behind are showing.
Kind of like how the US and other countries have eagle iconography that is visually distinct from the nazi eagle iconography.
Yes, he did have the nazi one but his explanation of it being a mistake sounds reasonable. Nobody is perfect, we can admit mistakes and change for the better.
Yes, but the bigger question is, if it was a mistake, why didn't he remedy it in the part 20 years since? He apparently did learn it was a Tottenkopf at some point, if the reports that he has told others that exact thing are to be believed; why wait to cover it up until he was running for office?
Also, he had it covered with a Norse wolf, which, Nazis appropriate Norse imagery to cover up their most unsavory bullshit is a whole goddamn thing...
He didn't even wait until he was running for office, he waited until the photo leaked. He never would have disclosed it.
adding he was unaware until recently that the image has been associated with Nazi police.
Could he be lying and really a secret nazi pretending to be a decent person? Sure. Is a norse wolf a sketchy choice. Yes.
But people not knowing things and then doing something when they find out is reasonable.
I do agree with you. But on the other hand...
people not knowing things and then doing something when they find out get caught is... ?
He knew about it WAAAAY before this year. He only did something about it now because it was interfering with his political ambitions.
He's a disingenuous Nazi twat, and anyone still defending him at this point should really reconsider calling themselves antifascist.
norse symbols, runes, iconography, even thier gods are coopted by nazis.
I agree, the description is vague and the symbol was most assuredly was co-opted by Nazis (past and present) just like the swastika, blackletter typeface, Nordic symbols, and a whole bunch of other stuff of historical significance.
But, accidental or not, this seems a pretty cut and dry comparison, art-wise.



And a quick search of the historical context
Depending on the person, id give it the benefit of doubt for a case of "You were in the wrong tattoo parlor and didn't recognize the more subtle nazi and/or supremacist dogwhistles".
Politicians are blatantly exempt from any benefit of doubt. They have PR teams for this shit, and couldn't be bothered to utilize that.
If your PR team is well versed on the minutia of Nazi symbology, they are either expensive or they are Nazis.
Establishment candidates have more support from the national party than progressive primary candidates running for the chance to challenge an incumbent. I’d give the latter more benefit of the doubt, especially when they express remorse and regret.
he was unaware until recently that the image has been associated with Nazi police. … while his campaign initially said he would remove the tattoo, he chose to cover it up with another tattoo due to the limited options where he lives in rural Maine. … “Going to a tattoo removal place is going to take a while,” he said. “I wanted this thing off my body.”




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