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[–] 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

atleast they have the option to remove it

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    It's Mozilla so if it leaves the main menus it will probably be in about:config. They're annoying in how much boat they're adding to Firefox but most stuff is still opt out: password manager, profiles, tracking, etc...

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    they should just make it an extension people can add on instead of baking this shit into the pie

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not anti-ai at all but this sort of thing feels like a security vulnerability to me?

    Any website with a malicious prompt injection on it could instruct the ai to scam the user.

    Almost like xss but instead of needing malicious user-inputted js, malware targeting the ai can just be written in text so an attacker could put it in a comment or whatever.

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I saw that. See where it says “Remove AI Chatbot”? I clicked on that. It’s gone now.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    But why was it there in the first place? Who asked for it?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Most 'regular' users aren't using Firefox. FF has something like 5% market share — it's basically just for people techie enough to understand why chromium-based browsers are bad. I'm willing to bet that there's a significant overlap between those users and users who understand why AI is bad.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's the norm now. Firefox already only has 3% market share, if they don't keep up with modern features then they'll probably just die out altogether. Doesn't matter if it's popular with FOSS evangelists or the anti-AI crowd, they'll still use FF because it's better than any alternative for their purposes.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    At least it is less obvious than the way chrome is handling AI 'integrations'. Google is hamfisting AI to the point where chrome is basically a billboard.

    "DOES BABY WANT GEMINI?"

    "DOES BABY WANT AI MODE?"

    "DOES BABY WANT AI SUMMARY FOR 2 MINUTE YOUTUBE VIDEO?"

    "I see you clicked no. I'll remind baby a few days from now"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I never said I used chrome personally. My work environment demands it.

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  • I'm in the same boat - my work uses chromebooks.

    I got frustrated earlier this week, trying to remove AI suggestions from Google on my work account. It's set up in such a way that I can't opt out. Search for ways to remove AI from your results, and all the tutorials say to "Click the lab button" to disable AI.

    I looked on my Google page - there is no "lab" button.

    I looked up trouble-shooting for "no lab button," and attempted to follow a direct link to the controls it's supposed to provide.

    Apparently, since my account is managed by a company, I don't have access to permissions... including the permission to remove AI results. Fuck.


    Long story short, although I really wanted to throw my work laptop into a fire, I instead decided to change my default search engine to DuckDuckGo.

    I can't escape the Google environment entirely, but at least I can still use a search engine that lets me opt out of automatically generating AI crap.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I saw that. If you go into about:config and diisable literally everything that has 'ml' in the name you can turn this bs off. One day i'll switch browsers D= Also it's really funny to me that publicly all these companies are shouting "AI!" but the engineers seem to know it's really just machine learning.

    edit There are also some *.ml strings you can just straight up delete.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Make that shit opt in and don’t force install that crap onto my system.

    So glad I switched to LibreWolf with how much Firefox is becoming another corporate platform.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Have fun with the forced time zone obfuscation, messing up your scheduled messages and timestamps. !waterfox@programming.dev is where it's at.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    forced

    Enabled by default and "forced" are two different things. Your comment is misleading.

    You have a couple of options:

    1. Turn off ResistFingerprinting and use something else if you want similar functionality, like CanvasBlocker
    2. Add trusted domains to privacy.resistFingerprinting.exemptedDomains in the about:config page.
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    When I say "forced," I mean that you shouldn't have to go into about:config to hunt for something that doesn't even say the phrase "time zone" in it to disable this. It should be openly in the browser's options. There should also be a warning about this; I read of no such notice when first firing it up. It came off as shady and an unwanted, initially forced "feature" that caused way more problems than it solved.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm fine with this. It's not only optional. Is where I'd never even ick it by accident

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Yeah. This is literally how LLM models should be used. Non intrusive and just a helpful way to find shit quickly related to settings or such.

    My AI hate is entirely based on its exploitation of labor. Using art or otherwise to create garbage that is not paying the people who's art or work was used to create it.

    An open source project using a model trained to help users with Firefox settings. What labor is being exploited here? None from my understanding.

    It's just a helpful tool. Please, please. Understanding WHY you hate AI. Don't be upset about the invention of the Loom. Be upset that the benefits of the invention are going to the rich capitalist. The invention of the Loom/AI should make your life and your labor easier. You should get the same benefits while doing less work. THAT is the problem. You should hate AI because you hate capitalist modes of production.

    Edit: I'm making an assumption about this feature. I would assume it's a very efficient CPU capable model to help answer Firefox questions. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the only reasonable thing I could guess this feature would even be. Haven't looked into it though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't forgot environmental hard

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Assuming you meant harm. My assumption is that this is a locally CPU run model that is basically a glorified AOL chatbot. Again, I'm making some assumptions here.

    But I really think the "AI" in this is just using a buzzword. When technically it is but it's likely not what we think like a heavy LLM like ChatGPT. I really doubt Firefox is sending prompts to GPU farms and it's likely just a simple model that runs on your local CPU. Likely optimized to answer browser related prompts or Firefox related prompts in general. I could be wrong. But I'd be surprised if it was at all outsourcing prompts to a GPU farm.

    It's a good example (if my assumptions are correct and Firefox is not braindead plugging in ChatGPT into the browser) actually of how AI application specific models can be very efficient and helpful. All the money we push into the "god AI" is really what people think of with "fuck AI". China is working heavily in models like this.

    For example. They just released a new application specific model that is extremely efficient at character recognition in images. Basically, if you took a picture of a page in a book it converts it to text that can be edited on a computer. It's a case of an AI model actually improving compute efficiency when compared to other previous "non-ai" methods of computer vision.

    But I digress. I think most of "fuck AI" could be summarized as "fuck capitalism" though. American investors are chasing a "worker replacement" model that they are failing at obtaining.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I did mean harm yeah

    Completely get your view there, like whenever I'm talking to people about tech (especially when I'm having other scientists explain their research) I always avoid using the word AI and when they use it I always tell them to clarify.

    I have no idea what they are using for their own summarization features, but I know the chatbot tool is just a front-end to interface with other services, not its own LLM.

    Also which model are you talking about for image to text, sounds like a potential improvement on earlier work I'd like to see

    I do agree as well most "fuck AI" is fuck capitalism if only indirectly by some. Its why I care about the environmental harm a lot as it wouldn't exist if not for the capitalistic drive to build at all cost. LLMs aren't worth people's lives or dead ecosystems, they aren't even the tech that will achieve AGI as they don't do continuous learning (evident from the seed change between shit GPT3 to human like ChatGPT was an RL training protocol). Most modern technology has the curse of its owners which prevents it from being used ethically or for the common good.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    There's an option in about:config to turn it off: browser.ml.enable

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Its been there a while and I actually like this. You can set it up to connect to your own ML server, and it saves me a ton of time when I get assigned a support ticket with days of tier one back and forth I have to sift through.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    i can understand this. most articles are designed in order to waste the reader's time on the site to show more ads. we can can all cry around the fire like we usually do on lemmy when ai comes up, but this was clearly caused by journalism.

    my main concern however is bloated browsers. i dont want pocket, or hidden syncing and telemetry, ai and whatever the fuck goes on in the background. takes a lot less to add ecosia and enable cookies for librewolf than debloat firefox.

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