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Building a private internet together: Tuta & Ente partnership (tuta.com)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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Starting today, all paying Tuta users can request 25% off their first year of Ente’s encrypted photo storage so you can not only keep your emails and calendars private, but also your photos.

Ente provides end-to-end encrypted photo storage, ensuring that only you hold the keys to your data. Ente doesn’t mine your data and doesn’t show you ads.

We at Tuta are thrilled to have teamed up with Ente to build privacy-first tools that are both secure and beautifully easy to use. Whether you’re backing up precious personal pictures or need to sync images from one device to another, Ente makes sure your content stays yours - and only yours.

(cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/55755024)

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[–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't understand the point of things like ente and Google photos over general cloud storage

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Idk about ente, but stuff like Google Photos and Immich have photo-specific features, like allowing you to search photos for specific people, semantic keywords, places, etc. Immich and Google Photos use "AI" to create embeddings of the photos (and read EXIF metadata) to allow this. In the case of Google Photos, it's a privacy nightmare.

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    • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Kagi is doing something similar. Both for ente and notesnook.

    https://kagi.com/specials

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    • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Damn, I was hoping for Tuta managing Ente in EU, and same plan same price for everything both product suites offer. Like a Libre Google One, or an actual competitor to Proton.

    I know, I know, eggs in one basket, and all... I just want a simple way to migrate fast and then go from there.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Another super awesome encrypted cloud storage

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    [–] 19 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Okay, please just hear me out.

    Decentralised Filesystem.

    That is what the future of the internet is IMO because everything is files and sharing files.

    You want to back up your photos? Buy a hard drive and put them on the decentralised file system. You want to check out photos from your friend? As he gave you access to his share folder on the decentralised file system, you can just go there and check them out. Without paying some centralised company.

    Decentralised file systems are impervious to company control. It will be our internet, to do with like we see fit.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    IPFS!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    The grandfather of decentralised filesystems (maybe https://ipfs.tech/ has some more information )!

    You might want to check this out for a modern approach (sorry for the shameless plug 😊).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This sounds really interesting and just what I was starting to look for.

    What I'm not clear on and couldn't find info about is what's the storage size trade-off? Presumably you get these benefits by providing some of your storage to others, as they do for you. I'm trying to decide the size of disk I need to use and not clear how to estimate that. Also not clear how recovery is dealt with if my storage fails spectacularly. Can you restore from the "cloud" or do you still need to have your own full backups? The fact that links still work when you're offline makes it sound like cloud recovery is possible but didn't see anything about that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Hello and thanks!

    Sorry for the delay, my PC had a nervous breakdown yesterday.

    The storage acceptance can be configured, but for now there is only either you accept anything, or you accept up to twice the size of your file (default).

    Also, there is a (configurable) limit where files are auto accepted, under 64Kb with a total size of 16GB.

    I'm thinking about other ways of brokering the deal, like high/low bandwidth, size of course and availability but that is work in progress.

    But today, for example, if you store your photo collection of 1000 1MB photos, with a redundancy of 10 (default) the median and max storage you'd need would be:

    Median: itemsize * redundancy = 1000 * 1MB * 10 = 10 GB

    Max: itemsize * redundancy * 2 = 1000 * 1MB * 10 * 2 = 20 GB

    BTW;

    You can store GB sized files, but it's not very convenient yet (it uses lots of RAM and the app freezes up for a while) and you might not find someone to "trade" with.

    And it's not yet battle proven, so I'd keep a backup to be sure. In the future, you just need your links, and if you have lots of links you can just put them in a folder store that on the network too (with a high redundancy!) and keep just one master link for a total backup.

    You can sub here for info and of course if you have more questions!

    Or just fire away here.

    Cheers!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thanks for the reply. I'm not sure this is for me given the storage requirements. I was hoping for some magic math I guess that didn't require the extra magnitude of storage it seemed would be required, but alas no magic was found.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You can also just do a tit for tat and divide the requirements by ten. There is a possibility that someones pc has a problem and can't serve one of your files back when you need it though. That's why the base is 10x oversharing, a good value for a backup is surely somewhere in between...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You should explain more about what it does/how it works on the intro page.

    Is it like Foldershare was back in 2006 (before MS bought it)?

    Does it enable client-less file sharing (eg via a browser for someone wanting to access your files)?

    If that's the concept, great! Maybe an example on the page would be useful

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Hello and thanks for the feedback!

    Sorry for the delay, my PC had a nervous breakdown yesterday.

    Funnily I reworked the intropage recently to remove a lot of examples because I felt it cluttered up the first impression! What do you think about a sub section for that or would that be too easily overlooked? Also, as I have you on the hook here for the moment :-) what do you think about those examples:

    Chat

    Facebook-like

    Webpage

    Dropbox

    Wikipedia

    Backup

    Or maybe you have some ideas?

    For your questions, yes it does allow client-less sharing (guess you have to have your PC on from time to time though, but not at all always), but you can't access the data from a browser. I'm working on a browser plugin to read the link files, but it has to be in javascript so there is some work to be done.

    I don't know how Foldershare worked, but you can definitely share a folder with your friends for example.

    BTW, you can sub here for info and of course if you have more questions!

    Or just fire away here.

    Cheers

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    • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd be all onboard with tuta if you didn't have to either use their web site or web client to access email. I like using AERC and in a worse case scenario Thunderbird. can't use either with Tuta.

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    • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Been using Ente the last two years, its been such a great service!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm guessing you primarily use a computer? I've been using it for 2 years as well, but like most people it's primarily thru mobile app. And it's not exactly great. It functions, sure, but loses all albums on upload, doesnt seem to want to actually do the machine learning (forever stuck at 99.85%), and accessing the albums has some of the worst possible UI (tiny arrows in a long list of big boxes). I want them to succeed really badly, but their development is incredibly slow to the point where I'm reconsidering self-hosting with Immich as well so it works better.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh im sorry to hear that. I use it mainly on mobile too actually and have not struggled with what you mention.. The few times ive had issues ive had them quickly resolved by asking in their discord. I also watch their development rather closely and personally think their development speed is rather good compared other big companies, considering Ente is still a small team (but now expanding).

    Only thing i could suggest is to jump into their discord and ask around about the issues you are facing, not optimal ik, but they are quick to reply there!

    I do hope your issues get resolved swiftly.

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