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AOMedia Will Be Talking More About The AV2 Video Codec Later This Month (www.phoronix.com)
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[–] 9 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I don't even use av1 for anything. 🤷

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Streaming sites use them so there's a solid chance you've used it plenty without actively choosing to

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't use it, I can't speak to anyone else using it. If YouTube is sending it out that's them using it. None of my files are that codec.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Booo....

    AV1 + OPUS for life!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    What about AV2 + Opus though!?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's not even out yet...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Honestly, that's how the codec game works. Most people or software don't adopt until after the successor is in place. It's more about the software side lagging to adopt though. Nvidia just got AV1 into their hardware processing pipeline in the last 2 years. I think AMD is even more recent than that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    that’s how the codec game works.

    That, and add some patent pools filled with dubious claims of essentiality, sales deals made under the threat of litigation, and ever-present claims of "twice as efficient it's predecessor" with a big asterisk. Fun times.

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Are you sure that's many people? Outside of the few tech savvy people I know, most lay people have no clue what h.264/5 are either. They know mp3 and that just means digital music to them.

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Pft AV7 is where it’s at.

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    • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Why do we need more codecs? Technical progress is nice but unless the new thing is literally 5x better than the old thing, media codecs are for practical purposes a solved problem by now. Slight improvements aren't worth the churn and patent hazards.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    AV2 provides enhanced support for AR/VR applications, split-screen delivery of multiple programs, improved handling of screen content, and an ability to operate over a wider visual quality range.

    https://aomedia.org/press%20releases/AOMedia-Announces-Year-End-Launch-of-Next-Generation-Video-Codec-AV2-on-10th-Anniversary/

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Isn't AV1 patent free?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I don't know, but if it is, why take chances with yet another codec? The hazard is less about the developers asserting patents than trolls coming out of the woodwork after the codec is deployed.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    AV1 and AV2 are both patent free and nobody will be able to grab them to be a patent troll, that’s the point. Maybe you should start educating yourself a bit on the subject before ranting?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Patent troll = someone pops up claiming av1 or av2 infringes on some obscure patent that they control. That happens all the time. There's no way to guarantee that it won't happen with any codec or really with anything. It is very expensive to defend against even when the claim is bogus.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    That happens all the time. There’s no way to guarantee that it won’t happen with any codec or really with anything.

    Yes, so there's no reason to hold back on releasing updates, since it could very well happen on AV1.

    It is very expensive to defend against even when the claim is bogus.

    The principle behind AV1, once again, is to have a modern codec that is out of reach from patent trolls. Those who are part of the AOM consortium, which developed this codec, have all contractually agreed to unconditionally license all patents they hold that are necessary for the implementation of the codec.

    And those who are not part of the consortium and who would like to claim patents relating to the AV1 or AV2 codecs would have to face the legal teams of the companies part of said consortium, including Amazon, Alibaba, Adobe, AMD, Cisco, Google, Intel, Microsoft, Mozilla Foundation, ARM, Huawei, Samsung, Tencent, Meta, Nvidia, Apple, Netflix, and other large companies.

    The AV1 and AV2 codecs, after perhaps H264, are the most secure codecs available today in terms of patent trolls. Nobody has both the will and the means to attack it.

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