Or fight fascists to prevent a doomsday. Instead of voting them into office.
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Porque no los dos?
Community engagement is vital, and we should all be involved with outreach, education, and mutual aid.
I think we all understand that we're on our own now, and if we want our communities to survive and thrive we need to take ownership and contribute.
But it's naive as fuck to pretend we won't be on our own protecting those communities as well. Arm up, train up.
Exactly, thank you!
These two ideas are not mutually exclusive, do both. I train with my neighbors fairly regularly, at the range (including tactical training), hunting, fishing, navigation (land and ocean), first aid certifications, etc.. We also work together to keep an eye on our neighborhood and on behalf of our other neighbors (early COVID times were absolutely wild here). I maintain a several HAM radios and a base station, and worked with some of my neighbors to help obtain their licenses. We all garden, cook, and do home repair and IT.
Unfortunately since we live near a major metro area when SHTF the best mid term plan is to bug out entirely, so we have updated plans for rendezvous and exfil to specific less populated areas. And as far as I know most households have bags ready to go.
I wouldn't go as far as saying we're preppers, we certainly don't imagine ourselves that way. We just acknowledge that disasters happen and our society isn't equipped to take care of an entire metropolis. We're not under any illusions of being master survivors.
I feel like this is just common sense, not paranoia. In school we all had it drilled into our heads to keep extra water, preserved food, and bags ready in case of a major earthquake (common enough in our area). I don't see why our planning isn't just a natural extension of that kind of preparedness.
These people figure everyone else will do the hard stuff, and one day they’ll all come to their senses after rebuilding and realize they need a beans and guns guy. It’s a kind of narcissistic laziness.
Those fuckers probably have turrets outside their bunkers and will shoot on site.
Turrets run out of ammo eventually they also need a vent for air. Would be real bad if they got blocked.
Plus without supporting infantry you can just roll up behind a very thick steel plate, doesn't matter that it's slow as you can take as long as you like
Nah....the people who fill their bunker with beans and guns are the same people who will use their guns to take from those who build gardens and communities.
In other words, they want all of the benefits of a community without putting in anything in return.
Or to put it even more simply: conservatives.
I've played an enormous amount of post apocalyptic simulations and video games, so I've got some insight on how this typically goes:
The bunkers with beans and guns are rare, but usually whoever is inside died of something really common, like an infection, broken leg or a stroke, and was unable to get medical aid in time.
There's also loot boxes/caches in the woods where you see someone tried to be completely solo and typically "having weapons" is way less valuable than knowing how to use them
The OG meme is right, you need other people in "the apocalypse", going it alone is a death sentence, even basic things can become enormously difficult (many hands make for light work)
Make sure at least one of the people you know is a doctor, surgeon, or nurse of some kind
And if the "guns-people" ever band together (band-its) and try to take stuff away, they typically don't have coordinated field tactics or military discipline, it's a slog but battling the cannibals with a regular army does eventually result in their extinction
Risky game when the community garden people know which parts of the plants are toxic or not. Come try this "sloe berry" jam I made...
Well yes, we need the vents for his bunker, where else do we empty the latraines?
If only we had an out of shape weirdo who never read a book in his life.
Maybe learn Vietnamese. They fought the French, the US, China, and Cambodia one after the other, and won. They must know some shit.
Learned how to chop wood today
Doing a light version of the cabin in the woods thing ("F*** this city! I'm gonna go live in a cabin in the woods!")
Interestingly enough I am doing this cause I'm a musician and need a place where I won't bother anyone with my noise. Two birds one feeder, as the saying goes
Is that a fish smoking a cigarette? With its eye?
Join your local CERT, learn and get free stuff and meet people
What does CERT mean in this context? I'm only getting tech-related results. (Computer emergency response team.)
Let's be honest, if there is a global apocalypse and the only people left are the billionaires in their bunkers, how long are they really going to hang around doing their own laundry, eating canned food, and watching reruns?
They will be rapidly killed by their private military teams and a bunch of warlords will break out from that.
Iirc they are thinking about putting some kind of Killswitch collar to their "bodyguards" in "exchange" of a place in the bunker should an event arrive for this reason.
This presumes you live around real people.
My neighbors are a mysterious Brazilian who changes the topic when asked his profession but drives many luxury cars (drugs were hinted at by others), an 85 year old MAGA anti-vacc used car salesman, an absentee company owner that uses a $1.25M house to park his logoed trucks, boats and jet skis, and a lawyer who adopts maladjusted dogs and leaves his door open for them to run around the neighborhood biting people (me last).
Brazilian throws large parties for people who drive Porsches, used car dealer complains about Democrats and leaves packages on his porch for over a year, absentee is able to hook up a boat and leave in two minutes, and lawyer neglects feral dogs and spends time with his horses. I have only ever seen the used car salesman do work. He loves running things with motors at night.
None garden but 3/4 installed insecticide systems to kill all pollinators on their property at the push of a button and hire people to put in nice ornamentals.
The same 3/4 produce more garbage in a week than my family of four does in two months and may throw out and replace clothing rather than washing, so I doubt mending is on the table. They certainly don't cook based on the food deliveries. Absentee business owner has never spent a night in that house in two years and I don't know what he wears or looks like.
Not just their professional trades. Cultivate skills. Cooking, repair, gardening, etc.
Damn, really sounds like you were just listing off all the traits of Anarchism
Hey, you're just preparing for a different doomsday. How do you know they're not preparing for an animal uprising, where all the bears, elk, and wolves team up to eliminate their human overlords? In that scenario, preparing hunting material makes tons of sense.
Establishing a community garden is a lot of fun actually. We have one in our house but it is not very big so you basically get a single vegetable every now and then but the whole working with the ground, keeping the irrigation system intact is soothing.
Where I live we have a CSA farm (Community-owned agriculture). You can join the coop to get a weekly share of veg and either do a day's work on the farm each week, or pay an amount each month. It's honestly amazing, it feels like I've hacked the system. I get cheap, organic veg grown less than a mile away and harvested the day before I collect it and it's upskilling and connecting the local community.
yeah, that's very cool. there is nothing more satisfying than planting a bunch of seeds, watching them grow - you start to notice how much stuff they go through. It took me about two and a half months to get my first batch of plum tomatoes and just holding one of them in my hand felt like i just did something right.
Oh yeah, that's an amazing feeling! No tomato ever tastes as good as the one first one you grow and pick.
If you aren't armed and prepared to defend yourself and your community, you are just gathering resources and slaves for the people that are armed and want your stuff and want to turn you into slaves or corpses.
Sorry about that, being in a usa school shell shocked me a little too much on active shooting events.
I’m a strong supporter of Americans learning Greco Roman wrestling or Sombo. It will take you far in life when people want to get hands on.
Hey, this guy lives just up the road. Cool that he has made the jump to the fediverse (sort of).
Here I was hoping for a MF Doom reference. That said, in a doomsday scenario wouldn't your biggest threats be the neighbors you have? If you needed tools that don't break easily that's no big deal, but if you have something sensitive that's pretty risky to share (a pick axe is less critical than a generator for example). A community garden would be good, but if one of your neighbors is a self absorbed sociopath they would probably raid the community garden. Why do you need to learn to sew and patch when every department store probably has a life time worth of extra clothes? For self defense it's hard to argue against having a bunch of guns. For first aid, outside of administering it to yourself and your close network offense is the best defense. In an actual doomsday scenario it's much easier to shoot first and ask questions later than it is to mend wounds on yourself and others.
I'm all for a post apocalyptic socialist commune, but all it takes is one nut job for the peaceful socialist commune to turn into a fascist dictatorship. Unless everyone you know is of the same sociopolitical opinion as you, or if there are no guns around, then I'd still be stacking up guns if I could.
- The moment I start learning the names of my neighbors I get: “What are you a cop? Scram!” or just get shot at the front porch. The moment I ask them their trade I get arrested by cops they called for “being too nosy.”
- “That's my stuff! Don't touch it! Stop trespassing my property!”
- “Do you have a license for this garden?”
- Polyester Paradise
- Self defense requires Gun praxis, and bean storage food aid.
Once those mentalities above are fixed, there‘s is no doomsday preparation that will take place.
No idea why you are being down votes here and I wish people could explain why.
Formee in doomsday I don't really want to trust anyone.
No idea either. I am an anarchist, I can only help the willing. I know where the willing meet. Canvassing never works. Mentalities have to change for actual change to give.
You are welcome to @ them.
Making knocking on doors and interrogating people would be weird but you can go to people where they are and be friendly. Wanna be some old timers go to the Eagles, or Elks. Younger people? No one at the Pub thinks it's weird if you go "so what to do you do for a living?"
so what to do you do for a living?
And I get “None of your business, glowie.”
That particular advice here is wrong because comrades can learn skills and adapt to new syndicates. More importantly is to earn the trust of the community and solidify than to know their names and specialties. But learning to mutual aid takes a zeitgeist awakening (advice #2). If anything, learning what comrades in your community prefer doing and not is more important than learning names.
And I get “None of your business, glowie.”
Unless you live someplace truly bizarre, I'm sensing Hyperbole.
You really don't go out to pubs, don't yah?
Folks go to pubs to relax, merry, reminiscent. The last thing they want to talk about is the 997 they just punched out from. Do you like talking about your job everywhere?
And why do I have to know you're Bob from accounting? Are your counting skills going to seize the means of the exploitators?
I can't imagine a more common perfunctory part of meeting someone new than asking about their occupation to the point that articles get written encouraging people not to for a variety of reasons. "Lets stop defining people by their occupation" etc etc.
Yes, that stuff is very important Mom, now me and the boys gotta push back some traveling renegades that want to pillage our stores and goods. With our gun. And because we have so many really good guns, we will win. Store arms is essential dooms day prepping
After a few years the guns will be useless and without resources. Long term survival does not revolve around stock piling unsustainable weapons or once-off use food supplies.
Oh, that's really cool. So how do you get the minerals for the explosives and the raw metal for the bullets?
Go read a book about it.
Now that knowledge is so accessible... blah blah blah
You say that like people didn't used to make gun powder from decomposting straw and lead can be mined.
People hated you because you spoke the truth. You need all the things to survive. Everything OP listed AND a way for the community to see to it's own defense. Which in the 21rst century means either guns, bows, or directed energy weapons.


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