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[–] 49 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Or fight fascists to prevent a doomsday. Instead of voting them into office.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    There's a significant percentage of preppers who want doomsday to come, because they think they will get to be a leader & have an "I told you so" moment, instead of the community seizing the spoils of their preparation.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And most preppers prepped for the wrong doomsday. Many got screwed during covid because they only prepped for war. It would also be shit if you prepped your entire life, spent thousands on it, then it to never happen. And most preppers think they prepped properly, but they lack the intelligence and/or skills to actually use everything they have or they forgot crucial components.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have to say, i was brexit prepping for a while and when covid hit it was a little satisfying sitting there with my well stocked pantry and decent stocks of toilet roll while other people were queueing out of the supermarkets

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Fair, but that's not doomsday prepping. I also have a well stocked pantry in case the payment system gets hacked and shops can't open, or something similar. That's always smart, to prepare for at least a week food wise. But that's different than hoarding war meals, weapons, combat gear, water purification systems, diesel generator and loads of fuel, etc. in your backyard bunker.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    We all gotta start punching more fascists.

    (I can't fight and I'm weak shit, so can someone throw in an extra hit on my behalf please? I'll get you a milkshake as thanks.)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Same with me. But for that they invented tire irons and baseball bats. Tasers work nicely too. As a hacker you can do damage to them as well, financially for example. There are more ways to hurt them. If can't pack a punch like me, think outside the box, be creative.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    I mean, I know how to shoot and own a firearm. But I also work in IT and I have access to a lot of things that could hinder the small-time local facists in my area if I started fucking with shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Using a gun helps the fascists to justify their violence. Look at the past political gun violence incidents. Even though the gunmen were right wing, they twisted it to them being left to justify unconstitutional acts against political opponents, media, minority groups and democrats.

    Doing IT related stuff in the shadows is the better option imo.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I mean my gun is only for defending myself if someone invades my home or some shit. I don't go around telling people about it irl lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do you have that many enemies that you need a gun to protect yourself? How often are people invading your home? Did you know that statistically you're more likely to use your gun on yourself when you feel shit, which we all do sometimes, or shoot a loved one by mistake, than having to use it against home invaders? Where do you keep it? Must be easy to grab, in case someone invades your home. Easy access, for you but also anyone else. Like a kid for example. Yours or a visiting kid, a cousin for example. Or is it in a safe? "Hold on you home invader, let me grab my gun! Wait, what was my safe combination again? Let me think... Yo, why don't you grab a coffee or something, I'll get right back at you as soon as I have my gun." Do you bring your gun to the toilet and shower? In case they invade while having a shit. Or do you also have a toilet gun? By the way, when you need a gun for home invaders... Are they out to kill you? Because if they are burglers, all they want is your TV. Is it worth killing them for that? Isn't that a bit excessive? Do you live in Johannesburg South Afrika, or Somalia or something, that you have to worry about people coming into your home wanting to kill you?

    Fucking Americans and their guns.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Fucking Leftists and their guns.*

    There fixed it for you.

    “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” ― Karl Marx

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    "Yeah! Guns are awesome! We can revolt against the government! Although I have an AR-15 and they have stealth drones. We do have school shootings because we can all want to have guns, but some kids dying here and there is worth it for me. No one takes my guns!"

    Karl Marx also had his flaws and lived in different times. No drones, no tanks, no smartphones connected to a monitored network, etc. Back then you brought a gun to a gun fight. Now you bring a tiny folding knife to a gun fight. Go buy an armed predator drone and an F35 fighter jet and you can make your point again.

    Fuck off. Go kill each other and be done with it. Just don't drag the rest of us down with your stupidity.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    We have school shootings because we live in a deeply diseased society; a corrupt and rapidly corroding end-stage capitalist oligarchy. We no more need gun prohibition to solve the problem then we need a massive police state. What we really need: Affordable housing, fair compensation for work, universal health care (including dental and mental health), affordable childcare, suitable free time for leisure, affordable cultural activities, public events that build a sense of community, political reform, media reform, an end to exploitation in any sphere of life. Build a health society and you'd be amazed how many of our problems just melt away but instead Billionaires insist on bigger mansions and yachts.

    And the rest of you're points are no points at all. Constantly disproven by history and current events.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Yeah blame everything but guns. In all countries where they banned guns the gun violence went down drastically, to a point to where it barely exists if at all. Look at Australia for example. Biggest mass shooting ever, guns got banned, not a single mass shooting since. That's in 30 years.

    I agree that all the other points you mentioned are I portant too. But to bring down gun violence, the most impact change you can make is ban guns completely.

    Look, it's like driving cars. I don't like being restricted how fast I can go. But some idiots couldn't behave, got drunk and drove really fast and hit and killed others. Because that happened too often, we're not allowed to drive that fast or drink and drive. No one cares whether I'm a responsible driver. This is the law because it benefits us all: it makes us all more safe.

    This is how society works. We introduce laws to make us all safer, because there are some who can't behave and need these restrictions. Same with guns. This is proven in all countries where they banned guns at some point. I like guns too. I love shootings guns, I enjoy the sport. But I'm glad they are banned here, the fact that I can't have guns to insure others around me who might be crazy and/or irresponsible makes us all much more safe. So it's something I'm willing to give up for safety to us all.

    But instead in the US they arm teachers, put cops in schools, have kids wear armor plates and install bullet proof windows and doors in schools. Yet shootings keep happening. Now when a kid would bring a small knife to school to be able to cut his apple during lunch he will be thrown onto the ground, arrested and put in jail and charged. People are so scared of kids with weapons doing irresponsible stuff, yet they do nothing about them being able to have access to guns. How insanely twisted and completely stupid can one be?

    Look, you can copy all NRA bogus arguments about why the second amendment shouldn't change. The only true and solid argument you have is "I like guns". The rest is complete bullshit. Statistics show banning guns is the only solution. So you can listen to your feelings or to logic and facts. Right now you're willing to give up a lot of safety to be able to have a gun. "But now I can protect myself!" Well, I would like to avoid a shootout completely, even when having a gun myself there's still a change of getting hit and die. I prefer to call each other an asshole, flip each other off and go our own ways instead of escalating with guns. I prefer to sleep knowing no one will invade my house and kill me. If I have kids I want them to go to school without the risk of getting shot. I love it that I can go outside, walk the streets at any moment of the day and night without the risk of meeting an idiot with a deadly weapon (other than cops sadly).

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Porque no los dos?

    Community engagement is vital, and we should all be involved with outreach, education, and mutual aid.

    I think we all understand that we're on our own now, and if we want our communities to survive and thrive we need to take ownership and contribute.

    But it's naive as fuck to pretend we won't be on our own protecting those communities as well. Arm up, train up.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Exactly, thank you!

    These two ideas are not mutually exclusive, do both. I train with my neighbors fairly regularly, at the range (including tactical training), hunting, fishing, navigation (land and ocean), first aid certifications, etc.. We also work together to keep an eye on our neighborhood and on behalf of our other neighbors (early COVID times were absolutely wild here). I maintain a several HAM radios and a base station, and worked with some of my neighbors to help obtain their licenses. We all garden, cook, and do home repair and IT.

    Unfortunately since we live near a major metro area when SHTF the best mid term plan is to bug out entirely, so we have updated plans for rendezvous and exfil to specific less populated areas. And as far as I know most households have bags ready to go.

    I wouldn't go as far as saying we're preppers, we certainly don't imagine ourselves that way. We just acknowledge that disasters happen and our society isn't equipped to take care of an entire metropolis. We're not under any illusions of being master survivors.

    I feel like this is just common sense, not paranoia. In school we all had it drilled into our heads to keep extra water, preserved food, and bags ready in case of a major earthquake (common enough in our area). I don't see why our planning isn't just a natural extension of that kind of preparedness.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    These people figure everyone else will do the hard stuff, and one day they’ll all come to their senses after rebuilding and realize they need a beans and guns guy. It’s a kind of narcissistic laziness.

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  • [–] [S] 126 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Those fuckers probably have turrets outside their bunkers and will shoot on site.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Turrets run out of ammo eventually they also need a vent for air. Would be real bad if they got blocked.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Plus without supporting infantry you can just roll up behind a very thick steel plate, doesn't matter that it's slow as you can take as long as you like

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nah....the people who fill their bunker with beans and guns are the same people who will use their guns to take from those who build gardens and communities.

    In other words, they want all of the benefits of a community without putting in anything in return.

    Or to put it even more simply: conservatives.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    I've played an enormous amount of post apocalyptic simulations and video games, so I've got some insight on how this typically goes:

    The bunkers with beans and guns are rare, but usually whoever is inside died of something really common, like an infection, broken leg or a stroke, and was unable to get medical aid in time.

    There's also loot boxes/caches in the woods where you see someone tried to be completely solo and typically "having weapons" is way less valuable than knowing how to use them

    The OG meme is right, you need other people in "the apocalypse", going it alone is a death sentence, even basic things can become enormously difficult (many hands make for light work)

    Make sure at least one of the people you know is a doctor, surgeon, or nurse of some kind

    And if the "guns-people" ever band together (band-its) and try to take stuff away, they typically don't have coordinated field tactics or military discipline, it's a slog but battling the cannibals with a regular army does eventually result in their extinction

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe learn Vietnamese. They fought the French, the US, China, and Cambodia one after the other, and won. They must know some shit.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Learned how to chop wood today

    Doing a light version of the cabin in the woods thing ("F*** this city! I'm gonna go live in a cabin in the woods!")

    Interestingly enough I am doing this cause I'm a musician and need a place where I won't bother anyone with my noise. Two birds one feeder, as the saying goes

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Is that a fish smoking a cigarette? With its eye?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Join your local CERT, learn and get free stuff and meet people

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Let's be honest, if there is a global apocalypse and the only people left are the billionaires in their bunkers, how long are they really going to hang around doing their own laundry, eating canned food, and watching reruns?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They will be rapidly killed by their private military teams and a bunch of warlords will break out from that.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Iirc they are thinking about putting some kind of Killswitch collar to their "bodyguards" in "exchange" of a place in the bunker should an event arrive for this reason.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This presumes you live around real people.

    My neighbors are a mysterious Brazilian who changes the topic when asked his profession but drives many luxury cars (drugs were hinted at by others), an 85 year old MAGA anti-vacc used car salesman, an absentee company owner that uses a $1.25M house to park his logoed trucks, boats and jet skis, and a lawyer who adopts maladjusted dogs and leaves his door open for them to run around the neighborhood biting people (me last).

    Brazilian throws large parties for people who drive Porsches, used car dealer complains about Democrats and leaves packages on his porch for over a year, absentee is able to hook up a boat and leave in two minutes, and lawyer neglects feral dogs and spends time with his horses. I have only ever seen the used car salesman do work. He loves running things with motors at night.

    None garden but 3/4 installed insecticide systems to kill all pollinators on their property at the push of a button and hire people to put in nice ornamentals.

    The same 3/4 produce more garbage in a week than my family of four does in two months and may throw out and replace clothing rather than washing, so I doubt mending is on the table. They certainly don't cook based on the food deliveries. Absentee business owner has never spent a night in that house in two years and I don't know what he wears or looks like.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Not just their professional trades. Cultivate skills. Cooking, repair, gardening, etc.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Damn.....that's just about perfect

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Damn, really sounds like you were just listing off all the traits of Anarchism

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Guns and bunkers would help at first though

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Hey, you're just preparing for a different doomsday. How do you know they're not preparing for an animal uprising, where all the bears, elk, and wolves team up to eliminate their human overlords? In that scenario, preparing hunting material makes tons of sense.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Establishing a community garden is a lot of fun actually. We have one in our house but it is not very big so you basically get a single vegetable every now and then but the whole working with the ground, keeping the irrigation system intact is soothing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Where I live we have a CSA farm (Community-owned agriculture). You can join the coop to get a weekly share of veg and either do a day's work on the farm each week, or pay an amount each month. It's honestly amazing, it feels like I've hacked the system. I get cheap, organic veg grown less than a mile away and harvested the day before I collect it and it's upskilling and connecting the local community.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    yeah, that's very cool. there is nothing more satisfying than planting a bunch of seeds, watching them grow - you start to notice how much stuff they go through. It took me about two and a half months to get my first batch of plum tomatoes and just holding one of them in my hand felt like i just did something right.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you aren't armed and prepared to defend yourself and your community, you are just gathering resources and slaves for the people that are armed and want your stuff and want to turn you into slaves or corpses.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Sorry about that, being in a usa school shell shocked me a little too much on active shooting events.

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  • I’m a strong supporter of Americans learning Greco Roman wrestling or Sombo. It will take you far in life when people want to get hands on.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Hey, this guy lives just up the road. Cool that he has made the jump to the fediverse (sort of).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Here I was hoping for a MF Doom reference. That said, in a doomsday scenario wouldn't your biggest threats be the neighbors you have? If you needed tools that don't break easily that's no big deal, but if you have something sensitive that's pretty risky to share (a pick axe is less critical than a generator for example). A community garden would be good, but if one of your neighbors is a self absorbed sociopath they would probably raid the community garden. Why do you need to learn to sew and patch when every department store probably has a life time worth of extra clothes? For self defense it's hard to argue against having a bunch of guns. For first aid, outside of administering it to yourself and your close network offense is the best defense. In an actual doomsday scenario it's much easier to shoot first and ask questions later than it is to mend wounds on yourself and others.

    I'm all for a post apocalyptic socialist commune, but all it takes is one nut job for the peaceful socialist commune to turn into a fascist dictatorship. Unless everyone you know is of the same sociopolitical opinion as you, or if there are no guns around, then I'd still be stacking up guns if I could.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (8 children)
    • The moment I start learning the names of my neighbors I get: “What are you a cop? Scram!” or just get shot at the front porch. The moment I ask them their trade I get arrested by cops they called for “being too nosy.”
    • “That's my stuff! Don't touch it! Stop trespassing my property!”
    • “Do you have a license for this garden?”
    • Polyester Paradise
    • Self defense requires Gun praxis, and bean storage food aid.

    Once those mentalities above are fixed, there‘s is no doomsday preparation that will take place.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No idea why you are being down votes here and I wish people could explain why.

    Formee in doomsday I don't really want to trust anyone.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Making knocking on doors and interrogating people would be weird but you can go to people where they are and be friendly. Wanna be some old timers go to the Eagles, or Elks. Younger people? No one at the Pub thinks it's weird if you go "so what to do you do for a living?"

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    so what to do you do for a living?

    And I get “None of your business, glowie.”

    That particular advice here is wrong because comrades can learn skills and adapt to new syndicates. More importantly is to earn the trust of the community and solidify than to know their names and specialties. But learning to mutual aid takes a zeitgeist awakening (advice #2). If anything, learning what comrades in your community prefer doing and not is more important than learning names.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    And I get “None of your business, glowie.”

    Unless you live someplace truly bizarre, I'm sensing Hyperbole.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    You really don't go out to pubs, don't yah?

    Folks go to pubs to relax, merry, reminiscent. The last thing they want to talk about is the 997 they just punched out from. Do you like talking about your job everywhere?

    And why do I have to know you're Bob from accounting? Are your counting skills going to seize the means of the exploitators?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I can't imagine a more common perfunctory part of meeting someone new than asking about their occupation to the point that articles get written encouraging people not to for a variety of reasons. "Lets stop defining people by their occupation" etc etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Here’s are better greetings:

    Hiya comrade! Were making pizza today at the canteen! Bring plates!
    The permaculture cooperative is meeting today at noon. Just bring your hat, I’m bringing refreshments.
    Rifle maintenance class at 0900 ’morrow

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Yes, that stuff is very important Mom, now me and the boys gotta push back some traveling renegades that want to pillage our stores and goods. With our gun. And because we have so many really good guns, we will win. Store arms is essential dooms day prepping

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    After a few years the guns will be useless and without resources. Long term survival does not revolve around stock piling unsustainable weapons or once-off use food supplies.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Oh, that's really cool. So how do you get the minerals for the explosives and the raw metal for the bullets?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Go read a book about it.

    Now that knowledge is so accessible... blah blah blah

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    People hated you because you spoke the truth. You need all the things to survive. Everything OP listed AND a way for the community to see to it's own defense. Which in the 21rst century means either guns, bows, or directed energy weapons.

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