I've had the misfortune of spending time in Renton because that was where Fry's (Electronics) was. Not exactly a bastion of fun and frivolity, and this is in the '90s.

Four people – including three teenagers – are accused of a hate crime in Washington state after being arrested in connection with an alleged attack on a transgender woman that left the victim hospitalized, according to authorities.

The Renton police department said the four suspects in the case first argued with the 39-year-old woman on Monday evening – then beat her after she saw them again later. Investigators say they hurled homophobic slurs at the victim, who was attacked on a street near a transit center in Renton and suffered serious injuries.

“They chased her, knocked her to the ground, and repeatedly assaulted her,” police said in their statement.

Police documents obtained by ABC elaborate, recounting how the woman told officers she first encountered the group while telling them to stop “harassing” people at a local transit center. That drew the group’s attention, and they began “charging towards her”, the police documents alleged.

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[–] 10 points 1 year ago

Not exactly a bastion of fun and frivolity, and this is in the '90s.

It has changed quite a lot. With folks getting priced out of Seattle, outlying areas tend to catch those people. Long story short, Renton is fine for the most part.

This story is fucking scary though. Open violence and hate at a very public place

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    ...the woman told officers she first encountered the group while telling them to stop “harassing” people at a local transit center. That drew the group’s attention, and they began “charging towards her”, the police documents alleged.

    In case anyone in need is unaware: A Self Defense Study Guide for Trans Women and Gender Non-Conforming / Nonbinary AMAB Folks.

    It would have been better to wait and form a group of other victims of this harassment, stand side by side with one another, and then confront them. Don't assume people will have your back.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This is horrible. Just let her be. What is wrong with people?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    does not surprise me that this happened in renton, this is the only place people have ever shouted insults at me from passing cars instead of compliments

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    [–] 85 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I wonder what the rest of their families are like, the sick fucks.

    Kudos to her for standing up for others. I hope this doesn't keep her from thinking twice in the future.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago*

    This is going to get buried in less than a day

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    FBI: sounds like some concerned citizens neutralising a terrorist threat to me.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    That article has a lot of “alleged” for something there’s a video of..

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Welcome to the concept of “innocent until proven guilty”, where accusations levied by newspapers are considered libel unless those accusations have been proven in court.

    For instance, what if they get some of the charges dropped, and have another reduced? Now the newspaper has printed a criminal accusation that wasn’t proven in court, and is in hot water for exaggerating things to intentionally ruin the attacker’s image.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I understand the need to use the 'alleged' language, but serious question: Why is it necessary to say 'alleged attack'? The fact that there was an attack isn't in question, only who committed it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Everything must be "alleged" until adjudication by a court of law. That's how it works.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (36 children)

    I’d be fine if those kids got life in prison, or someone calling every place they work for the rest of their lives and getting them fired

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (35 children)

    While great on paper, most of them were pretty young, not even adults yet. Make them do empathy and LGBTQ courses and community service with LGBTQ organizations- lots of it- and let them start with a clean slate. They seriously fucked up, but we should teach them how society is supposed to work.

    The 25 year old definitely needs to be charged like the grown ass man he is. And have him stop hanging out with minors. And then also work with LGBTQ organizations/community service.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    The problem is, this IS how we are teaching them society is supposed to work. I’m surprised empathy and LGBTQ courses haven’t been outlawed already.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Conservatives have explicitly gone after SEL (social emotional learning) curriculum. It’s one of those toxic keywords like “CRT” that they attack instinctively.

    I’ve seen local universities get harassed on Facebook for having queer studies classes.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I do not understand who is downvoting me, unless the magats have infiltrated Lemmy

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Lemvotes.org will show you who voted for you.

    Usually it’s just one or two grumpy assholes. Not someone who has commented in the thread.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Oh shit. You mean I can find my .world downvote gremlin?!

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    It’s not working for me 😕

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Follow the instructions exactly. You have to use the federation link not the usual link to the comment. Click on your comment and choose “show original on shitjustworks” and then use that link. Otherwise you get a 404.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Go hate somewhere else, bigot.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I’m criticizing the current bigoted fascist state of our country, and you call me a bigot? Are you high?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Unfortunately bad faith bigot accusations abound and lessen the effect of real bigotry allegations.

    Almost everybody has been falsely accused of bigotry by some person dishonestly stroking off their outrage boner pretending they meant something they didn't, so the real accusations cannot be distinguished from the fake ones.

    The people that do this, this is just the excuse they can use to beat up on someone. If they were on the right they would use whatever excuse would allow them there. They don't actually give a shit, they want to attack somebody and will not be bothered getting a Justified situation for it.

    Here we are losing the country and the culture, and we are in fighting defending from bad faith the bigotry allegations from our supposed allies. Our undercover enemies pretending to be us would be well suited to spearhead those attacks however.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Imprison the parents. Charge them with equal crimes.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Prison isn't a place anybody goes and learns to become less violent. Foster care is an unfortunately similar story.

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    That's just a death sentence with extra steps. You do understand where this sort of scorched earth type retaliation leads right?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I think it leads to more parents being responsible for their kids actions, and people committing hate crimes out of society. Tolerating hate is how you breed fascists.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Parents stop having "exclusive" control of their children at around 6-7yo, arguably younger but... Teenagers acting like this is a result of the society they are raised in.

    So your solution is to incarcerated all of society? Go door to door and lock up the entire neighborhood they live in? Arrest all their teachers? Maybe the person who was assaulted is to blame and should be locked up because they caused those kids to get violent in the first place ^1^.

    No, these actions are owned by these kids, stop trying to shift the blame.

    I am not promoting tolerance for hate, I'm advocating for implementing real solutions to problems. Prison is for sweeping problems under a rug and letting them faster and grow. Eye for an eye seems really tolerant when you're starting from a position of "kill them and their entire families for a bruising".

    ^1^ for the record, that is often how the legal system handles these issues and is how American schools are supposed to.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I am not promoting tolerance for hate, I’m advocating for implementing real solutions to problems.

    You're pushing for no consequences for hate crimes.

    No surprise that you'll downplay assault against trans people as "a bruising."

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How do you interpret "killing 4 kids and their entire immediate families due to an assault, even a hate crime based one, isn't justice" as "no consequences for hate crimes".

    You're being reactionary.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I was talking about your "solution," not the opinion of your interlocutor.

    After all, so what if they assaulted someone, jail is scary and you wouldn't want to discourage hate crimes. It's just a little "bruising."

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    No, you are putting words into my mouth. Please stop. Be an adult.

    Parents are responsible for the actions of the child until 18. Full stop. Any crimes the child commits should have mirrored charges against the parent. Full stop.

    That is the end of my solution.

    However, what I think is most telling about you is how you have just dismissed a hate crime as a “bruising.” I think everyone should take note of your “conservative” mentality. I’m going to tag you as such so that in the future when we interact I know immediately how to treat you

    Have a wonderful day

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Very telling that the exaggeration you take issue with is the "hate crime as a “bruising.”" and not the "kill them and their entire families". You are correct that I exaggerated, specifically to make the contradictions more apparent. I am sorry that came off as overly callous.

    Nobody is responsible for the actions of others. Your idea on how much control a parent has/should have is truly frightening and unhinged. That is not a parent-child type relationship, that is a operator-machine type relationship. The idea you are advocating for is collective punishment and is a war crime for a good reason.

    Your path leads to concentration camps and escalating violence that result in what are now just assaults becoming murders. How the hell have you deluded yourself into believing that pro-carceral solutions are the opposite of "conservative mentality"?

    Fuck you, be better.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I’m not reading this, magat.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    lalala I can't hear you

    Way to demonstrate how a mature adult behaves.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don’t talk to people who think hate crimes are just “bruising”

    You should be ashamed of yourself, but it’s clear you aren’t.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I do talk to people who think the reasonable punishment for assault is the extermination of them and their entire immediate family.

    Maybe I should be ashamed of thinking I can get through to reactionaries like you, but you're right that I'm not.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Guilt by association. But you liked a post from a guy that celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination so therefore hate crime charges for you pal. Do you see why that's a bad idea?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Liking a post isn’t a crime so no I don’t see anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Guilt by association. You could definitely be sent to prison for it. Cheering on charging family members of people is beyond ignorant. It is something they have started to do though, the feds. Very unchristian.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    You’re speaking nonsense and expecting it to be a gotcha moment. Do you even know what day it is?

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago*

    You and your transphobic perspective are the problem, not the other way around. Just as there's no place in civilized society for racists or bigots, there's no place for those who go out of their way to deliberately put people down for expressing who they are.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Hi, can you please not be bigoted against trans people? Thanks

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  • [+] -61 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ok, then why are you disputing the legitimacy of this person's gender

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  • [+] -76 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    PM me if you want to ask questions because mods don't allow honest discussion of the topic.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "Honest discussion" lmao

    Scientific consensus is that trans people are real. If you disagree with science then I won't waste my time talking to you

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    Well since we're apparently debating civil rights, I suggest we put YOURS up for debate. To start, anyone with your opinions obviously shouldn't be allowed around children. You seem predisposed to commit hate crimes. So you shouldn't be allowed to work as a teacher or caregiver for children, you shouldn't be allowed within 500' of a park or playground, and you shouldn't be allowed in public bathrooms where children are present. Sorry, but your bigotry simply makes you too dangerous to be allowed near children. Some kids are born queer, and you would probably try to hurt them. We need to restrict your civil rights for the sake of the children.

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    Being a hateful bigot is not being dissident... it's being a hateful bigot. Trans people aren't some group that's oppressing you or anyone else. You're the oppressor in this situation. Look in the mirror and ask yourself why you hate someone who's not like you.

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