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[–] 40 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This is missing the bigger picture, which is that a ton of companies rely on VPN services to work. So if they block VPN services to the entirety of the public in Michigan, they're basically going to delete their entire IT sector and tech sector overnight.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is the important take.

    The other poster that claims that “this will never pass”, hopefully is thinking of this. Without this consideration - I believe it would. Right wing has been trying any method to impose their sense of morality onto a free society since before I was born. I grew up in a household that actively worked to suppress pornography through local, state, and federal law. I saw this at work.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What would likely happen is VPN providers would be IP banned but people could still setup their own custom VPN solutions as that's hard to ban without banning corporate VPNs? Of course my fear is as this idea spreads VPNs and even Tor will become increasingly useless as all exits will be age gated and censored as well. This is something where technical work arounds will only work in the short term, laws like this are a slippery slope that we seem to be sliding down.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Then what? They are going to ban the use of cloud hosting? The end solution is a national intranet, a great firewall and it would destroy the USA. It's ridiculous to even suggest banning VPNs, but that's the right for you..

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    I think the real problem here is politicians are some of the most technically illiterate people on the planet. They think they can legislate away problems that they can't...while ignoring the root cause of the issue (I'm mostly referring to the age gating of services, banning porn and VPNs isn't even trying to solve a problem, it's moronic)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's not how they'd implement it. They'd make it illegal to sell it advertise VPNs to the public. Then they'd impose fines on any American VPN companies that did it, and IP block and foreign VPN providers (their websites and apps) that didn't.

    Corporate VPNs wouldn't be targeted. But you're probably not going to watch porn through your work's VPN right?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, they could just block VPN connections to servers outside the US. OpenVPN's and WireGuard's handshakes are easily identifiable.

    Using obfuscation? Kinda sus that your connection with a single foreign server is transmitting gigabytes of traffic, but you do you.

    Russia already does this, agent Krasnov and his cronies are just following in their footsteps.

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  • [+] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Corporate VPNs would be allowed presumably.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Eh you made me read it now. It's not super clearly written but it does sound to me like it is only services that are designed to circumvent the moralising that are prohibited. It's a little ambiguous though.

    The more interesting thing I learned from reading it is that it isn't just about banning porn. It's also about banning the depiction of trans people - even descriptions! Insane. Come on America.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There's no way that this passes. Even if it did, the Governor (D) would never sign it. If she did, the Democratic party would crucify her. Don't worry about the bill, focus on the piece of shit fascist (Josh Schriver) that wasted tax-payer dollars to introduce the bill.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I'd love to think you're right but there are bills in blue states for age verification too. It's nice to think that partisan politics will kill it in Michigan...and maybe it will but this is so much more than a one party problem IMO. Both parties seem complicit.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Michiganders, please🙏 don't give them this inch. Don't even entertain them.

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    My fear is that even Tor won't help, if every exit node is censored then where do you go? Also it's not like you can't fairly easily detect exits. Sure hidden services are exempt but the amount of services there are tiny compared to the internet. I really feel like we as the citizens have to convince the governments to not do this. Otherwise things will only get worse.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    it will never pass in a million years, relax

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    [–] 62 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I'm a Michigander. This will not pass the Governor's desk, nor the house. However, it is a sign that the Christo-Fascist right is getting more comfortable and we can't afford to give them an inch, or they will take a mile of porn away.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I know that. But these zealots better keep their child-blood soaked hands off of my Big Butt Cougars 2 or I'm about to shove enough host down their throats they'll be shittin' the flesh of christ out their eyeballs.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    VPNs are used for remote work everywhere. They just going to instantly have everyone that does remote work just lose their job?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Also force any companies who rely on VPNs to move out of the state, further decimating their tax base.

    I wonder if an MPLS circuit would fall under the category of VPN for the purposes of this proposed law lol.

    Also good fucking luck, anyone could just proxychains through an AWS ec2 or anything else they have ssh access to in order to get out of Michigan, then send the traffic through whatever VPN they want at that point.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh I'm sure they'll carve exceptions for businesses. THEY matter, humans don't. /s btw if that wasn't clear.

    A lot of VPNS can go over 443 and 80 now. Just block all internet.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Politicians that have no idea how shit works back at it. Good luck enforcing this.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Michigan, I thought you guys were better :(

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ita 6 republicans pushing a bill that will never pass the senate or the governor.

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