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[–] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Right, humans are actually gonna boil the ocean... aren't we.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    If we can't stop the energy from being used anyway, why not make a desalination plant out of it too? 🤦

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Sounds like a great idea. OTOH, impossible to calculate the damage to local ecosystems vs. traditional methods.

    Totally uneducated guess: Probably better? Cooling is a major power suck, as well as consuming water.

    Roughly 40 percent of the electricity consumed by an ordinary data center is for this purpose.

    We're draining aquifers that take thousands of years to build up. Don't read up on that, it's horrifying. So if we have to have data centers, I'm gambling that underwater is the lesser of two evils.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Microsoft and Google both prototyped it. FWIW, they didn't take it to production once the data was collected.

    IIRC, cooling worked fine if placed in the right place with circulation, but maintenance and part replacement was a major issue.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Microsoft did it first

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Nothing better than destroying the planet for a quick buck off a cheap grift.

    Chinese capitalism <---> Planetary destruction <---> USA capitalism

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There are already llava/magma vents in the ocean... But the thought of human heat being added makes me upset because it's just another piece.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    I get it, truly, but we've been dejecting heat to the ocean for a good while. Ocean water cools marine engines and equipment, and heck we use rivers to cool lots of things -- even reactors, which ends up back in the ocean. Data center cooling might be one of the more responsible uses because it's (hopefully) not leeching petroleum or radioactive byproducts into the water.

    I'm actually a little more upset now than when I started this comment.

    >:(

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Quick! The oceans aren’t heating up fast enough! 🤦‍♂️

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Didn’t Microsoft do this a decade or two ago already? Or was that just exploring the idea?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It was to study its effectiveness and sustainability iirc, not meant to be done for actual production at that point in time.

    I guess one major downside is that if a component breaks, be it something simple like a capacitor, there is no easy way to replace it, so it has to be designed with that in mind.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago
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    All I hear is “China is heating up the ocean too, ON PURPOSE!”

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This is just until they can start putting them in space, behind the moon.

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    I think that they will return to it, due to the growing need, also because of the growing use of LLM everywhere, which is a big energy problem and costs only for the cooling. The chinese saw it that the best manner is to use submarine servers, which no need energy for the cooling, saving a lot of money. The energy need of cooling large data centers are a lot of MW + of what the need is from the servers. The only other alternative are datacenters in polar regions, done already by nordic countries. The drawback of submarine servers is the accessibility, but with the saved money in energy it's a minor problem. Independent of political opinions, western countries can learn a lot of chinese, we look to much on lobby interests of big corporations, which often break down the developement of new tecnologies.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why not just build all the datacenters in the arctic? What am I missing?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Honestly datacenters almost always benifit from being data sources, which mostly means population centers.

    There is almost the cost of networking even if latency isnt a concern. There is just more line of sight with sats and fiber connection near existing places vs far off places.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    because the oceans can't warm fast enough.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 1 year ago*

    More energy being spent cooling data centers on land ultimately heats up the whole system more, including the oceans. This is why you should pay attention in your physics class at school kids.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I am far from expert on this, but I'm not sure that they will be sufficient to change the oceanic temps compared to the wider worldwide greenhouse effect. Every data centre is already adding heat and most are reliant upon fossil fuels. The AI operations excessively so. Definitely need to do the works of a job on climate change.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The heat of even huge datacenters in the ocean is irrelevant, compared to the caused by the energy generation needed for cooling datacenters on land. Energy needed for cooling in submarine servers is zero.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    This is only a problem if the datacenters are not powered by renewables. Nearly all renewables are the result of solar energy, AKA photons, AKA heat that is hitting the Earth regardless of what we do with it. Solar panels are obvious, but even for wind, it's the result of the sun heating different regions of the atmosphere at different rates, converting thermal energy from the sun to kinetic energy in the air. A wind turbine converts some of this kinetic energy to electrical energy (which slows the air down ever so slightly), which is dissipated as heat mostly in the data center. The thing is, if the wind turbine didn't exist, whatever kinetic energy that would have been captured would directly be dissipated as heat anyway in the form of friction in the air. Renewables only move solar heat around, and doesn't generate heat of its own. Even with geothermal energy, where in theory you're bringing heat that was trapped in the Earth to the surface, the geothermal sources we can practically take advantage of are already so close to the surface they would have been released through simple conduction anyway.

    It is only when you burn fossil fuels that you're actively generating heat that would otherwise have stayed as chemical energy. But even the heat from this not the actual concern, it's the byproducts it generates that cause solar energy that would have been released into space to be trapped in the atmosphere. The heat generated isn't even a rounding error compared to retaining even 1% more solar energy in the air. Same for nuclear where you're reducing the overall binding energy inside atom cores and the reduction in energy is equal to the heat generated.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Why put them in the ocean when you can just put them on the coast and pipe ocean water through the heat exchanger? That way you can actually access the servers without a ship with a giant crane (powered by fossil fuels) hauling them back up.

    Also gonna guess the maintenance intervals are atrocious with all the salt corrosion. Why not a river or lake where the water doesn't actively hate the thought of metals existing and you don't have microscopic creatures that will attach to literally any surface and create a calcified dome for itself plugging up the places water is supposed to flow through?

    I was baffled by the Microsoft "sea cooled datacenter" and I'm still baffled now. Like surely there are better ways to do it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It'd be neat if data centers could also be desalination plants. IE, you extract the seawater, desalinate it, use it for cooling, then add the fresh water into the general water supply when it's done with. I'm sure there are probably many reasons why that wouldn't work though.

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