Nothing suggests that WhatsApp’s encryption protocol has been broken or that Meta can read the contents of your conversations.
Nothing prevents them from reading the messages prior to encryption or after decryption.
Nothing suggests that WhatsApp’s encryption protocol has been broken or that Meta can read the contents of your conversations.
Nothing prevents them from reading the messages prior to encryption or after decryption.
You have to be stupid to think WhatsApp, a Facebook company, doesn't have access to your messages.
They ran a bunch of full page adds this summer. All it said was "no one can see your messages but you." I immediately decided that was not true, otherwise why advertise it?
Yeah, I don't know who thought that was a good idea to advertise. It'd be like Betty Crocker cake boxes suddenly saying "Uranium Free!".
Like, yes, I wouldn't expect food to usually have added uranium too it, so why are you saying it?...
The only time I remember feeling genuine panic at a software update was years ago when my laptop suddenly decided it urgently had to restart. It took longer than I'd expected to boot up again and it kept showing the message 'All your files are exactly where you left them'.
I have no idea how or why but that really felt like a threat 🤣 of course when it finally turned on I was scouring all my folders trying to remember what I had where to see what they'd accidentally deleted. I felt stupid for being so suspicious then went online and 'all your files are exactly where you left them' was already turning into a meme. It made people angry as hell.
And thinking about it, if someone is unlocking their front door and you interrupt them to say 'excuse me, sorry, just wanted to say: all the stuff in your bedroom is exactly how you left it,' they probably would not feel reassured.
It is not a reassuring thing to hear. Anyway, fuck meta.
If you're interested in relatively safe alternatives, have a look at Signal
I get people may enjoy the technical aspects to WhatsApps privacy. It's a meta app and therefore is not safe, which should be basic critical thinking.
WhatsApp is not open-source, you can't compile the client yourself. It doesn't matter if it's been audited by a third party. That version could've easily been backdoor-free.
Attaullah Baig, who ran WhatsApp’s security team between 2021 and 2025, says the app isn’t nearly as private as Meta claims. In his lawsuit, he alleges that roughly 1,500 employees have access to sensitive user information, including location, profile photos, group memberships, and contact lists.
Also unaddressed account takeovers.
Group memberships and contact lists are golden data for both Meta and snoopy governments.
Both being unsafe seems the most probably state of things.
Still, something unsafe can still be safer than every other option ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What open standard (that are not used by proton too)? If anything proton uses GPG while tuta uses a custom system (which is why they also encrypt the subject).
Proton does PGP for you. There are countless standards compliant mail services where you could use your own email client and do your own PGP -Thunderbird is probably the easiest but It’s a trade-off.
Tuta also locks you down with their lack of IMAP support. You can only use their client. At least Proton has a bridge and allows you to use your own GPG key.
Proton’s official account said the company was “alerted by a CERT that certain accounts were being misused by hackers in violation of Proton’s Terms of Service,”
Proton’s CEO later announced that the accounts were reinstated, following another post by the company that said the company does “stand with journalists,” but that it “cannot see the content of accounts and therefore cannot always know when anti-abuse measures may inadvertently affect legitimate activism.”
Sounds reasonable to me? It's not a good look but it sounds like they quickly re-instated the closed accounts. The article title is misleading.
The only reason they reinstated the accounts was because people blew them up on social media. If the appeals process failed them, it will definitely fail the average joe who doesn't have the same level of influence online.
I've been a paying Proton user for years, and had already been looking for the exit, but this is the straw the broke the camel's back. Using Nym for my VPN now, looking to migrate my other services soon.
That doesn't make WhatsApp safe. Proton having it's own issues does not invalidate what they're sharing about WhatsApp concerns.
This does feel like a random lash out after this story, the reports of the CEO earlier this year and the reports that they were going to move out of Switzerland.
Let's just randomly punch down at something the vast majority of our users wouldn't trust already?
I'd understand writing something like this if they were about to launch their own messenger product. But even then, this article doesn't offer anything new.
Even their CEO did not practice safe sex when he sucked the dick of Trump without a condom.
I’m not a fan of them, but I don’t think you could point to any email provider that can’t or won’t provide IP addresses and recovery emails to law enforcement when compelled. You can use proton without a recovery email and over tor, which is more than most allow as well.
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