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[–] 15 points 1 year ago

Oh this is nice. I use split tabs with Zen a lot, so it'll be nice to see it show up in FF and the other forks eventually as well.

Sometimes it's just nice to have it all in one browser rather than 2 instances. It's not a big deal either way but it's a nice QoL for specific use cases.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    [raises eyebrow from tiling window manager]

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Does your DE not allow having 2 windows open at once? Why must the browser include this functionality?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It should go without saying that doing this within an app is completely different than at a system level, but since apparently it doesn't: the two things are actually different.

    App switching is different.

    The resulting user interface is different.

    Tab management, like somebody else noted, is different.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I understand that my DE showing two windows side by side is different than my browser showing two windows side by side with one header bar.

    I don't understand the workflow that benefits from that difference.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not everything is for you.

    But to answer your question, it’s nice to keep things grouped up by window, especially with a tiling DE, but to still be able to split/tile that workspace within the window and have the system treat it as one entity.

    One project or subject per window. I use an extension called Winger in Firefox which essentially allows me to manage windows as tab groups; but it is also sometimes nice to use some kind of tab grouping (and now some split views) on top of that to help organize things within the context of that window.

    I used to just be a “one windows with 600 open tabs, GLHF” kinda guy, but that is just a miserable way to live. Like i said, maybe all this stuff isn’t for everyone but when you need it, it’s nice to have - and for some things I appreciate a native implementation that we can extend with extensions instead of relying on every extension author to get right from the ground up.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Say you're redoing an image in photopea, you can have a split tab woth that image and photopea, so the image you're replicating is only there while you're trying to recreate it, and not any other tab.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    It'll be handy on Mac where you can easily do split desktop, but can't easily undo it, so it's hardly used.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, that just makes me not want to use Mac, I don't really need every program I use picking up the slack in their own unique way.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'd prefer it fixed at source too, but I do think there's a case for making it easy to, say fill in a form in one tab side by side with a reference tab if it's a 2 click sort of solution (even windows needs annoying drag and dropping with some randomness thrown in)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I'm forced to use that shit at work.

    For window management "Rectangle" helps.
    For a better tabbing behaviour I use "AltTab".
    For setting the volume of a sound device over HDMI I can recommend "MonitorControl".

    Then edit the keymap to be less stupid with Ukelele, use ForkLift instead of Finder, qView instead of Preview for photos, and of course Firefox instead of Safari, and things start getting tolerable.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm unfortunately a slave to the three finger swipe (I think if that worked as well on Linux I would swap, tried a few third party things on Mint but it's not as good)

    What's forklift bring to the table?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Mainly it doesn't delete network locations from my favourites if they happen to be unreachable. 😅

    It was hell, I started a new job with a confusing filing system used by the team, where hundreds of locations feel like they are important, and the damn Finder on the damn macOS kept deleting the favourites. First I worked around it with local symlinks and favouriting those, but it was just way less handy.

    I also liked being able to rebind "Move to Trash" to the delete key, and "Delete" to shift+delete.

    But I think most people like ForkLift for the dual pane view.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    So you mean dragging a window to the side until it conforms to half the screen? And then doing the same with a second window? Why is that difficult to undo? Just drag the windows again, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    On Mac I have everything maximised, so I have to drag the thumbnail on top of another thumbnail, which then splits them unevenly, so I have to fix that, then to undo it you have to understand maximize one half (and to get back to where you started at least) re maximize and drag it back I to it's position. Plus there are the steps to take an existing tab and make it its own window in the first place.

    Compared to like right clicking a tab and "show on the side" or however it will work..

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Oh, you use the strange fullscreen mode. That’s beyond maximizing. And it’s not popular, for good reason.

    You are intentionally making window management more difficult on yourself by treating it like an old school iPad. But that clarifies why you consider it difficult.

    Just for clarity, maximizing a window is scaling it as big as it goes. Putting a window or app into fullscreen mode is different. If the menu bar is hidden, you are not maximizing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Once I used the three finger swipe I couldnt go back. Being able to just quickly peek at another full screen app was very useful, now it's just muscle memory (and I hate the wasted screen space on the "large but not maximum" windows)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I have a quad monitor setup, 4x 42" 4k monitors. I also use AltSnap and FancyZone

    This functionality was already available with addon Tiletabs WE https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tile-tabs-we/

    But even with all this, there is no way to snap multiple views together reliably. And actual split window, in the specific cases that it's needed, is useful. It's just not a thing a regular old normie would need.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    hasn't this been an extension for 20 years

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I'd be interested which one if so.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    It was for firefox 3 then 4 fucked everything up and they've been trickling in shit that people figured out decades ago for 20 years i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozzarella i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla i hate mozilla

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Other browsers are available. Happy to point you in the direction of another one. 👍

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Nice for people that use it I suppose. I don't see a use case for it (nor have I ever heard of anybody doing this) but I'll definitely give it a spin.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I can see myself using it occasionally for the same reason I do in the IDE, i.e. to easily look at two pages at the same time.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    surely you can just open two browser windows for this

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    yes, but that requires opening them, then resizing them and moving them to be beside each other; it's possible, but not convenient

    By that logic we wouldn't need tabbed browsing at all, I remember browsing without it on IE6. :P

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    But why do we split a tab instead of having side by side tabs?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    Well, it seems like splitting a tab into two is just two tabs: read: we can already have two or more tabs in all modern browsers. But “side by side tabs” describes what is actually happening.

    Honestly, this is a difficult one to name. Even though splitting a tab into two isn’t what’s going on, “split tabs” might be the best they can do. It’s just more evidence that this feature is a bit weird, and why it hasn’t been a feature in Firefox, Chrome and Safari yet. Difficult to name succinctly and correctly, and it basically starts doing window management inside of a browser window.

    Also, why stop at splitting the tab in half? Lets stack them too and have a quad view with a tab in each quadrant of the main tab.

    Edit: ohh, call them Subtabs. And put them in a tab next to normal tabs.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This should be your window manager's responsibility.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    That's silly, there's lots of stuff that a browser could do with split tabs that a window manager would not be responsible for supporting. Applying search to both tabs simultaneously, for example.

    Should Firefox get rid of tabs themselves? That could also be done by the window manager.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    what a braindead take on many fronts. to start with, browsers have chrome that will take up space, especially if you use a vertical tab layout. Plus the UX can be made much simpler by including it in the browser.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Yeah, managing windows is difficult. That’s why Windows users usually prefer to maximize everything, and the platform does not really prioritize drag and drop. Dragging and dropping between maximized windows? Cringe.

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  • I want to be able to have multiple FF accounts and be able to be logged in on multiple at the same time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    This sounds like a nice feature, especially if you’re using side tabs. Hope it doesn’t consume too much of their time though. We don’t always need new UI features in browsers. I’d rather they be spending the time supporting new CSS standards and such, but I do appreciate the hard work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I really missed this when I switched from Konqueror to Firefox a long time ago. Nice to see it happening.

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