The Battle of Blair Mountain saw 10,000 West Virginia coal miners march in protest of perilous work conditions, squalid housing and low wages, among other grievances. They set out from the small hamlet of Marmet, with the goal of advancing upon Mingo County, a few days’ travels away to meet the coal companies on their own turf and demand redress. They would not reach their goal; the marchers instead faced opposition from deputized townspeople and businesspeople who opposed their union organizing, and more importantly, from local and federal law enforcement that brutally shut down the burgeoning movement. The opposing sides clashed near Blair Mountain, a 2,000-foot peak in southwestern Logan County, giving the battle its name.


Miners then often lived in company towns, paying rent for company-owned shacks and buying groceries from the company-owned store with “scrip.” Scrip wasn’t accepted as U.S. currency, yet that’s how the miners were paid. For years, miners had organized through unions including the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) and United Mine Workers of America (UMWA), leading protests and strikes. Nine years prior to Blair Mountain, miners striking for greater union recognition clashed with armed Baldwin-Felts agents, hired mercenaries employed by coal companies to put down rebellions and unionizing efforts. The agents drove families from their homes at gunpoint and dumped their belongings. An armored train raced through a tent colony of the evicted miners and sprayed their tents with machine gun fire, killing at least one. In 1914, those same agents burned women and children alive in a mining camp cellar at Ludlow, Colorado.

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[–] [S] 181 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sharing this because public schools generally teach only about peaceful protest movements, so many aren't aware that the rights we enjoy as workers today were literally fought, killed, and died for, and often the US military was on the wrong side of the fight.

Also the story of Blair Mountain teaches us just how insidious US corporations will be if we let them.

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  • [–] 110 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Never forget. That's what happens when billionaires fear no repercussion. No war but class war.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ignore them, I've seen them make equally stupid statements before and I legit can't tell if they're a bot, just that stupid, or a troll. Frankly speaking you'll save yourself some time if you just assume they have nothing but none between their ears.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I'd much rather fight a billionaire than the local baker or the owner of the local pizza shop.

    All buisness is exploitative, but our modern world has definently changed the scale and in many ways reshapes the face of the enemy.

    Put simply I don't hate an individual that owns a local buisness. They could probably be reasoned with if we got a proper revolution. These are people just trying to survive against the system. Like us all. They don't possess the capital to influence our elections.

    I think capitalism has become so unrestrained we have to truly consider who the enemy is again.

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    [–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Behind the Bastards covered this. The mining company established a 'rape room' system, where wives and daughters of injured miners paid off medical debts with their bodies.

    Part One: The Second American Civil War You Never Learned About

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    What did you think the National Guard was for?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They didn't get their start shooting college students!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    First they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak up..

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Fun fact, if you mix dirty engine oil and sand in a water balloon, you could completely blind any vehicles that might be nearby.

    Motor oil and sand just does not come off when it's all over motor vehicle windows.

    Completely impossible to see through.

    Just gonna leave that there

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Where do I get dirty engine oil? I ride a bicycle

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  • [–] 100 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    What a lot of people fail to realize is that mining and other blue collar industries were traditionally very left-leaning because capitalists would take away all their rights, pay them in scrip, etc. The companies only cared about the Almighty dollar (and still do), but were way less regulated than they are now. Those regulations are the result of unions, worker uprising etc.

    It's supremely. Ironic to see workers in these industries now do an about face, because Joe Rogan told them to. An over simplification, sure, but the point remains.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    They did not do an about-face because Joe Rogan told them to. The left was systematically dismantled through the red scare, including the purging and cooption of unions into the liberal state establishment. Robbed of class struggle and solidarity, unionized industries could actually be weaponized against workers' movements and then later, weakened by cooption and fraternizibg with management, dismantled through offshoring with no coercive resistance.

    The people today are the dispossessed and are as miseducated on this as yourself. Having no correct information by which to understand their position, they will replace it with things like, sure, Joe Rogan, but really they mostly fill their heads with self-blaming liberalism and acceptance with the usual reactionary thinking that the ruling class amplifies to secure its positions. Something you are surely not immune to, either.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was making a shitty joke, though it seems to have a grain of truth more recently.

    I don't know enough about the red scare to really comment on it. McCarthyism didn't really happen in my country as much as it did in the US.

    Coopting and infiltration of labour movements were partly responsible, but more so outsourcing/global competition (as you mention) and changes in dominant economic sectors played a big role too. On top of that retirement of former union members - those that saw what the benefits of unions were first hand - also cut down union interest gave corporations more power.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I don't know enough about the red scare to really comment on it. McCarthyism didn't really happen in my country as much as it did in the US.

    Are you sure? There were killings around the liberal world as well as proscriptions.

    Coopting and infiltration of labour movements were partly responsible, but more so outsourcing/global competition (as you mention) and changes in dominant economic sectors played a big role too.

    The fact that outsourcing could even happen is already an indication of weak unions. In this case, weak unions coopted into the liberal legal order.

    On top of that retirement of former union members - those that saw what the benefits of unions were first hand - also cut down union interest gave corporations more power.

    Meaning the unions progressively lost their militancy, the left having been purges for liberals and against class consciousness and solidarity.

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  • [+] -24 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    They did not do an about-face because Joe Rogan told them to.

    Oh let him have his Russia/China/Joe Rogan boogeymen. He probably looks for Joe Rogan under his bed before going to sleep.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Damn right I do! Last time he broke into my house and started doing DMT under my bed with Bruce Lee

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago

    He broke into my pantry and ate all my Pop Tarts, then had Joey Diaz put some Death Stars in my breakfast, then they took turns fucking me in the ass.

    Then I had no choice but to become American and vote for Trump, because podcasts.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Honestly, I think you're defending the right and capitalists by derailing the conversation with your tankie bullshit.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I feel like it started before Joe Rogan though. I’d say this started at least in the 70s, when more manufacturing moved overseas and we began buying more foreign made products. Mainly stuff from China and Japan, maybe also Mexico. So if you are losing your job, those are the bad guys. But who is advocating for equal rights? It’s the left, so they must also be the bad guys. So you go to the “other team” regardless of understanding policy, and then it’s just team politics, my team must win, pwn the libtards, etc etc.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh boy, Joe Rogan is just the newest flavor of awful. Bill O'Rielly started the whole current entertainment news by being a comedian who suddenly started being a right wing mouthpiece and any time he got called out on his shit it was "For entertainment purposes only" and he was on about the anti-left wing movements about coastal elites and unions taking workers wages.

    But then the right wing even to then was building to massive corporations that donated to them, groups like the biggest anti-union propaganda machine in the world, WalMart. Notice that during the Reagan era they had "Trickle Down Economics" to fool people into thinking if the wealthy were just wealthier, then they too could be wealthier.

    And the wars between groups have been speared on by the US since post civil war. Can't have former slaves having jobs, that'd take from the whites. Can't have people from overseas taking railroad jobs, that takes jobs from Americans. The big slaveowners of the American South were not the majority, so why did so many people fight for that confederacy? Because they were convinced by those wealthy that if slavery went away, there would go the economy... especially as so many people's jobs were in existence to the slavery machine.

    Joe Rogan wasn't some new bogeyman who figured out how to overthrow the world. The rich has been finding ways to make poor people fight each other instead of them as a tale as old as time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Where I'm from the miner syndicates were repeatedly used by the communists to quell protests in the early nineties. Left leaning or not, they were another tool of opression in the authoritarians' arsenal, much like the military/NG in the OP.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    What kind of traitorous soldiers fight against their own people?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's a pretty roundabout way to describe regular old cops.

    It's almost like there was a plan behind the right's propaganda machine that has spent decades convincing ordinary people that if other ordinary people ask for things like rights or fairness or safety then that means they are an evil enemy.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It’s almost like there was a plan

    There's definitely an ideology. And there are certainly a number of plots and schemes executed at a high level.

    But so much of the modern condition of American policing is just state sponsored stocastic terrorism. It's less a coherent plan as an unchecked filibuster. Thousands of idiots and assholes told "do as thou wilt" so long as they do it to the underclass.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Othering is a pretty powerful tool built right into the human condition.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I would be curious how true that would be in a post-scarcity egalitarian society. How much does our impulse to create out-groups depend on resource insecurity?

    Obviously in capitalism having an out-group makes it easier to exploit everyone by creating division. Since exploitation is the key to profits, capitalists are incentivized to create out-groups. But if you take away these conditions, is it really human nature to create an enemy out of whole groups of people?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think anthropologists and sociologists would likely be the best to answer that, but our animal cousins do the same thing fwiw

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Animals hardly live in post scarcity though, nor are they equipped to understand what that is.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Ok, but much like humans they have had very little need to develop the behaviors and capacity for it.

    It’s a fun theoretical but I’d tend to think that we don’t have a special hidden away innate capacity for it given everything about humanity and nature

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Its a circumstance that is an extension of rational dualism, it isn't inherent to humanity. Its the way we were all taught to think, that leads to "othering". There are other means of analysing our world, which bring people together rather than splitting and alienating each other.

    What you call inherent to humanity, I call inherent to bourgeois capitalism. Humanity has other options. In a thread about worker liberation, bourgeois essentialism should not go uncriticized.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    The arrival of the military deescalated the conflict. The miners were rightly hostile toward gun thugs, capitalists, and cops, but had a favorable view of the military. The miners did not view the soldiers as their enemy, and as far as I know, peacefully surrendered.

    I'm sure there were exceptions, but that was my understanding from the great history, Thunder on the Mountain: West Virginia Mine Wars of 20, 21

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm sure they had their own families to feed. Desperation is a powerful tool

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If someone tells you to put a gun to a guys head for trying to feed his family, on pain of not being able to feed your own family, that's a good sign to turn the gun on the guy giving the orders.

    Because he might as well have a gun pointed at them.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    "March" is not the right word, though they did march. "Fight" and "battle" and "armed resistance" are more what happened.

    Thousands of combatants, armed militias, airplanes literally dropping chemical weapons, and large machine guns at a time when machine guns were very new.

    This is how you get change. Not through peaceful protest alone. A many-sided approach is needed, including peaceful protest, and yes one of those sides is certainly armed violent resistance.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Iirc Howard Zinn referred to this as the "second US Civil War" in A People's History of the United States

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It was the biggest domestic military engagement since the US Civil War, at least.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I guess that depends on how you read KKK activity after Hayes ended Reconstruction.

    But you could also attribute it to the same beast. Jim Crow was as much about crushing black labor power as it was state sponsored white nationalist terrorism.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The term "redneck" in the early 20th century was occasionally used in reference to American coal miner union members who wore red bandanas for solidarity. The sense of "a union man" dates at least to the 1910s and was especially popular during the 1920s and 1930s in the coal-producing regions of West Virginia, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania. ^Patrick Huber, "Red Necks and Red Bandanas: Appalachian Coal Miners and the Coloring of Union Identity, 1912–1936", Western Folklore, Winter 2006.^

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I'm citing this because the term redneck has been mostly reclaimed by conservative Americans, but it's important that the term was used by union members who fought the cops when they were sent to break up a strike. The origin of the word was used in a far more left-leaning sense than it is today.

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