It's not -a lot- of electricity ... a couple of thousand kWh per day. It's also used to de-salinate ocean water ... of which there's plenty.

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[–] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Combine salt and water to create electricity to power a desalination plant that removes salt from water. I am sure there is more to it, but the article sounds like it’s one of those mad perpetual free energy schemes that defy the laws of physics.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    They are just re-capturing some of the energy the system spent turning salt water into fresh. Because that results in extremely salty brine water waste, you can get some energy as it gets diluted back down to sea water concentration.

    There no “new” energy in the system, it’s just wasting less.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So, they're using brine from a reverse osmosis plant and wastewater to run this process, both waste products, and probably producing something roughly the same as seawater.

    Sounds bizarre, but apparently it works.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The reason being that dumping the brine back into the ocean creates a dead zone wherever that dump point is, since the relative concentration of salts is higher compared to regular seawater.

    They’re almost certainly recreating seawater just to help alleviate the dead zone effect and figured out how to get some free electricity out of it too

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Right. It seems analogous to regenerative braking in a gas/electric hybrid car. The momentum is turned back into electricity to reclaim potential energy. Some of the energy was already spent in RO stage and this process gets some of it back.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I sounds more like it makes electricity out of fresh water, destroying it in the process (turning it into saltwater through osmosis/dilution). Sure… if there is some crazy salty water you have, and want to turn it into “still salty, but maybe less so”, you can indeed gather a tiny little fraction of the power.

    But given that fresh water is also a precious resource in many places, this seems relatively niche.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    From what the article says, it's actually a pretty cool way of improving desalination plants. They use the left over brine, from desalination, that has a very high concentration of salt, and use it as the high salt concentration side, with regular seawater being used on the other side. This both gives them free energy and reduces the side effects of pumping that extremely salty water into the sea by diluting it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I'm hoping soon that the salt is used to make batteries.

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  • As desalination plant need a lot of power it is a plus. But there is always that question in background with this approach what are they gonna do with this salt ?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Right. So it's 100kW output, which is almost enough to pull the skin off a rice pudding. It also uses the brine from a desalination plant, so it's basically salinating fresh water to get some of the power back that was taken to desalinate it.

    As a means of power production, it seems a bit pointless.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    This plant is part of a bigger chain. So while yes, on its own it seems waste of effort, as part of the entire chain it's a reasonable step to be more environmentally friendly and recover some energy in the process.

    A local plant desalinates water, resulting in fresh water and a brine solution that has much higher concentration of salt in it than regular sea water.

    Dumping the brine solution on its own would kill most plant and animal life around the dump site due to large saltwater concentration, so an alternative method must be found to dispose of the brine.

    Waste water from other processes can be mixed with the brine to bring it more in line with seawater salinity, making it safe to reintroduce to the ocean without severe ecological impact. This waste water is deemed to difficult or intensive to purify and treat to bring it back up clean water standards, and I'm assuming tested or filtered so as not to introduce hazardous chemicals that could damage the reverse osmosis membranes as well as sea life.

    Because there is way to mix the waste water and brine through membranes that can be used to generate electricity, this process is utilized to recover some of the energy expended in purifing the original batch of seawater resulting in the brine.

    It's not a perfect process but it is a means of getting some use out a waste product, similar to burning garbage or rotting food rather than just dumping it into a pit and letting it rot and release methane.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Its miles better than traditional desalination - requiring so much energy that burning fossil fuels is unavoidable. And brine is chucked back in the ocean. Basically an environmental catastrophe.

    If you think of it on the scale of one community - providing potable water, dealing with treated wastewater AND getting a surplus of energy while treating the brine it is actually pretty clever.

    If it makes you feel better you could probably slap some solar panels on those flat roofs too.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Here before the idiots who comment misinformation about Japan show up

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Seems like a good pair for desalination plants, great to see the technology develop.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The things a guy has to do to get some electricity around here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    i recognize you probably have no racist intention.

    non-English speakers and bilingual English speakers, including those who speak Asian languages, often experience that type of mocking of their language. if it happened once to one person in the history of earth, it's not racist. but the collective effect over generations and across thousands of experiences creates accumulative pressure on specific identity groups of people. the pressure and related coping/denial behaviors can manifest in unpredictable and inconsistent ways which may be why not everyone understands that racial mocking causes measurable harm.

    tl;dr

    it really helps if you would not do that. even more so if you could help stop others who you observe doing the same.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wasn't a racist comment. Words that sound different in different languages can be some of the fun of learning languages and all cultures do this. When I lived in Germany, there is the classic example of "gift" sounding like poison. In Japan good luck introducing yourself if your name is Gary - It sounds like diarrhea.

    Since you are passing judgment, id say it would really help if you didn't see everything through a racist lens. It implies a degree of projection. Its ok to take some innocent pleasure out of things like language - it works in all directions and does not involve othering unless it's done with some malicious intent.

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  • if you would reread my comment, you would see i said twice that i don't think you are trying to be racist.

    however, the impact of harmlessly-intentioned statements is completely determined in the mind of the listener.

    if you feel i judged you, that's an example of how my intentions are out of sync with the consequence on your feelings. i apologize. it's also reinforces my point.

    to clarify, you might originate a statement, make a comment, then it leaves your mind and your body. the affect on you is done and any meaning in the words is frozen. people, myself included, tend to think our intended meaning is more explicit (denotation vs connotation) in our words than it actually is.

    like a pebble in the air, that comment can land in the ground and not touch anyone, not trigger anyone's feelings.

    for comments about a person or about culture that's tied to people, it's hard to argue that no one could ever have any feelings about it.

    i understand you're implying that comments about funny sounds in languages are abstract and/or unavoidable, and that it's harmless to enjoy. I've also made such jokes, and I'm not immune to my own criticism. and just because this type of joke has happened for generations, that doesn't mean it's an unalterable process of the physical universe. if a human does it, that human can stop it, make it better, make it worse, etc.

    just imagine your native language being mocked everyday, by the majority group surrounding you, it started before you were born, over time you can sense that it affects your family members, reduced their confidence, maybe they're highly educated but for some reason they don't achieve "success", whatever that means for your culture. maybe they were bullied in school or at work.

    you might think I'm suddenly bringing up fiction and distorting the issues. scientific research has proven that culturally related mocking is linked with bullying and has racialized effects on the targeted people. racialized effects meaning, among other things, giving them the sense that if they try to participate in certain areas of life, like employment, applying for home loans, dating, politics, showbusiness, they might be rejected. that sense has also proven to be accurate in the sense that (in USA) people who have been mocked in relation to their race definitively do get rejected in all fields and endeavors more than non-mocked (majority) people. that's after adjusting for income level, education level, skill gaps, language barriers, etc.

    again, to repeat, i know you probably didn't make the comment thinking "hey what's something racist i can do"

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