The US’s top public health agency was plunged into chaos on Wednesday after the Trump administration moved to oust its leader Susan Monarez, sworn in less than a month ago, as her lawyers said she would not resign and that she was being “targeted” for her pro-science stance.

Monarez, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), was ousted on Wednesday evening, according to a statement from Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that offered no explanation its decision.

“Susan Monarez is no longer director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. We thank her for her dedicated service to the American people,” HHS said in an unsigned statement posted to social media.

Monarez, who was confirmed by the Senate just last month, appeared to have afoul of Robert F Kennedy Jr, the US health secretary, after she declined to support sweeping changes to US vaccine policies, according to reporting from the Washington Post and the New York Times.

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[–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly don't know much about her, but happy to see someone at their helm standing up and not just resigning. Dunno if it will accomplish anything but it feels like a more active opposition.

Hopefully everything works out for her and she doesn't have some kind of "accident."

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    For whatever reasons this unknown person is resisting; it’s saving at least some lives. Even if they are gone in a few more days.

    The stoppage of the COVID vaccine to most Americans is only one threat

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    "Nevertheless, she persisted."

    - Mitch McConnell, about Elizabeth Warren

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    [–] 39 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    She's hiding the obvious truth about magnetic health products from SkyMall. I mean, it's magnets, that's scientificalish.

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  • It's happening, my dudes. A medium pace overrun of our democracy, values, and science. Trump cultists are real, I work with em. They sig heil at me bc they know I'm a democrat

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (48 children)

    You shall repeat the vaccine lies!

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  • [+] -28 points 1 year ago (47 children)

    You know you can just learn the science behind it and then it won't be a lie. Start simple.. https://www.the-odin.com/ learn..

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (42 children)

    I don't understand how giving people a link to buy lab ingredients will get anyone to learn an entire degree's worth of knowledge by fucking around with cell cultures with zero knowledge of even basic sterile technique. Congrats to whoever does, but that's expecting people to learn rock climbing by encouraging them to find a large boulder to raw dog without training, theory, or proper climbing equipment.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (41 children)

    Huh HEK 293 is standard. Not sure what you mean on HeLa. No one uses these wd have synthetic immortal cell lines.. https://www.the-odin.com/human-cells/ look at the site? Yea, zero knowledge. It's called learning.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    zero knowledge. It’s called learning.

    I have a degree in this shit. Get off your stupid high horse, you're not helping or educating anyone. You just want to feel good about yourself by calling other people stupid and doing a shit job at science advocacy. How about you learn what not being an arrogant dick looks like?

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    We should stop treating adults like children. This is not hard. When people attack science we should back. Being ignorant is not useful to anyone.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    That initial comment can be taken in two ways, and you chose the worst one by thinking they're antivax when in fact they're not. Take a look at this removed comment from the modlog by the person you originally replied to:

    Not to mention the context. It's Lemmy where the overwhelming majority of users are squarely pro-vax and generally well-educated to assume the worst from the get-go. The least you can do is skim through a user's comment history to get a sense of what they mean if you're so keen on people figuring things out on their own. At least be coherent in that front.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    So your point is to abandon conviction in science based on person and community. Nah

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    My point is for you to stop being arrogant, stop assuming things, and learn proper science communication. Keep your conviction, but do it right.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Telling people they can learn anything is arrogant? They can.. They just don't want to.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    The way you're going about it is arrogant. The starting point you're proposing is unintuitive, more time-consuming, impractical, and wildly expensive. "Well, they don't want to learn!" Really.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (13 children)

    I respectfully disagree. I think that's high education, elitist nonsense and the reason there is little to no progress being made. You all gatekeep.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    How is it elitist to tell you that you're promoting the most impractical way for lay people to learn and then blame them for not following through? lol

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    That school is required. I don't care what you think about me. Lol

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I love how you drop the second part of that sentence: That school is required for the way you're proposing it. And don't come at me with "I linked the videos somewhere" because your original approach was doo-doo and also elitist.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    I think you want it that way and so it was. Your feelings about what you read and how you read it is not my concern. I clearly said both are required.(reading,watching,doing.. whatever.. not a stupid degree) And i reject the notion this is too complex to learn over a few weeks.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    Glad you corrected course, I hope it was good. Also, you're the only one talking about feelings for some strange reason. I usually hear that from people who are looking for a reaction when they're left with a stinging feeling after being called out. Anything you'd like to share? Point to where it hurts.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Never changed it. Oh, feelings because you are using personality defining terms. Meaning you feel a way about them. I think its logical. No, but you ended on a logical fallacy. You are using your own created opinion of mine.. as an argument. hmm

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    What personality-defining terms? lol I'm describing what you did. If I ended with "a logical fallacy ☝🤓" it's only because you're dropping decorum with the feelings bullshit. Drop the shit or we're gonna be rolling in it because I can roll up my sleeves if you want me to.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    "describing what you did" didn't I just say this? Yea, go into court and describe it your way. Let me know how that works out. Not sure i follow on the rest.. but sure, do whatever. I said i respectfully disagree. You insisted on telling me how you felt about my approach - never commented about you personally. Its outside of the scope of this conversation.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    how you felt about my approach

    Again with your emotional language. How about what I think about it? Because idk about you, but I was sharing my thoughts. Seems like you were projecting about your feelings, though.

    never commented about you personally

    Oh, you just called me emotional, but whatever. You sure didn't do the thing you claimed you didn't do.

    Its outside of the scope of this conversation.

    You think? Glad you found a way to feel like the bigger person there. Really showing by example.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Fine "think" not sure why the salience of that word is so important to you. I called you emotional? No, I didn't (you said above "your emotional language." lol). How do you get emotion from the word "feel"? I can feel current.. Is current emotion? sigh Once again, last part escapes me. You are connecting dots that don't exist to make a point that is subjective. You call me arrogant but you are trying to force me to accept your analysis of myself. That's wild arrogant. I'm just blunt. Also, when someone says feel.. that's their observation (kind of like you keep saying "your emotional language."). You don't get to control that. Feel me? lol Why I didn't dismiss you calling me it. How can I? I'm not you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're reflecting language patterns I've seen in people who are projecting their emotions by accusing others of them. And if you quack and walk like a duck, I'm going to conclude you are one without getting bogged down by pedantic details. I've been randomly accused of being emotional a few times and then described in those terms, trying to frame me through that lens with every interaction. Feelings and emotions are not too far apart, and that's not a huge mystery to be pretending like you don't understand the connection. Sorry if that's not the case, but you were behaving in a certain way.

    you are trying to force me to accept your analysis of myself

    Forcing you? Don't confuse replying to messages in my inbox and standing my ground with you being at the center of my world. I don't care what you think or who you are, but I do care that you're acting like an arrogant asshole with a better-than-thou attitude when people are not behaving like self-taught savants with a million bucks to throw at some random website for their own personal CRISPR starter kits just so they can correct beliefs about vaccines that they do not have.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    "I’ve seen in people" lol then talk about projection.. Can you have a logical none bias conversation? You are consumed by your opinion, what you see, how you read it. You are fighting yourself. .. name calling.. child like behavior.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    "I’ve seen in people" lol

    I clarified in the next sentence that they were all direct replies to me. And you dare comment on me fixating on the "salience" of a word? Give me a fucking break, dude.

    Can you have a logical none bias conversation?

    Can you not write a sentence without some stupid loaded language? Because that's all you've been doing lately.

    You are fighting yourself. .. name calling.. child like behavior.

    Helloooo, kettle. Talk about emotions some more! Want me to link you to your comment that started all this? Did you forget who broke decorum first?

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Steps by step protocols, classes etc. Can you cook a microwave dinner? If so, you can do this.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (18 children)

    Brother, I have read entire books on this and have spent a good deal of time in the lab, and I know for a fact you don't learn it by following a cooking recipe from YouTube.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

    Cool? But I think you are missing context. There are kits - no one will learn by avoiding failure. Do you really believe I meant one video would be it? Smh come on.. But start somewhere. Its the concepts and not looking at it like magic.. Its not

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    But start somewhere.

    You start with approachable material that explains the basic theory. This is not it by putting the cart before the horse.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Are you serious? How is this complex. I respect your opinion but kids do these kits in school. I'm confused on what you see on this website that's complex?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Kids? I think you mean young adults in university who have at least a couple of semesters of rigorous biology and chemistry under their belt to understand what they're doing and why.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Dude, you don't need biochem to do any of this. You don't need to know a thing about biology to do a single one of these. But by the end it should sink in. You follow protocols. You think that requires a degree?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm not saying you need a degree to follow a recipe. I'm saying you need a formal education to understand what you're doing with those protocols, how they work, and most importantly, why. You're assuming that mucking around with some lab ingredients that the majority of pharma majors don't even touch in 5 years of school will transfer the knowledge that can be easily learned in other ways, especially for layfolk. Why not link to a video on YouTube, or an article on Wikipedia, or whatever other intro material online?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I agree. Just not on the order. Why not link to a video? Look at all the videos on the site. Fuck me we are all cooked.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nah, see, this is the shit that I mean by you being arrogant. If your point is to learn, then link to the learning materials instead of the storefront. I'm the second person I've seen you do this to. Do you realize how you come across when you lead with the wrong thing and then blame people for not getting you?

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    Fine, here https://www.the-odin.com/edit-bacteria-with-crispr-simplified-version/ like, without self selection to review the site this won't make sense. Agree. I only linked human cell culture because the brain up there thought it was all plants. Lol

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Performing a lab experiment isn't the same as understanding the biological framework and its mechanisms. All the lab stuff you do in school is to supplement what you learned in the classroom. It's never a substitute for reading material and the guidance of a professor. And also, who has $50 to spend on a single ingredient instead of going online and reading things for free? Might as well buy the textbooks for that price.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Never said that. Doing it a lot does. I think you have your way of learning and cant see a path outside that. Read vs. Hands on? Why not both at the same time. If you think people are this dumb.. Ok but I refuse to believe that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why not both at the same time

    What do you think people do in school? Technical degrees require at least 40% of their time in the lab, and I know that's not possible or practical for just about anyone without proper materials. Doing it solo and spending money on it is bonkers when there are so many better ways to learn. I don't think people are stupid, but I do think it's stupid to start learning these things that way.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Dude, this whole "without school" thing is so silly. I think you know this site made that worthless.

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    [–] 71 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    her lawyers said she would not resign and that she was being “targeted” for her pro-science stance.

    What a fucking world we live in where people heading departments that are based on science are being vilified by the current administration for being in favor of science.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Far from the first time. We went through echoes of this during Bush and Reagan, with regard to Stem Cell Research and AIDS intervention.

    We're just facing an administration that's broadened the anti-science attitude from experimental blue sky research and niche at-risk populations to routine century old medical treatments.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Stand strong Susan Monarez! You ARE a superhero. Your country and indeed the world needs more people just like you.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I know nothing about Monarez, Did Trump's people not vet her before nomination? Or was she so naive as to not understand they were going to come for things that help even her family and she finally made the connection?

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    The CDC is lucky to have her, she seems to care about science and to be ready to defend the CDC. She's brave for not resigning and not making it easy for the administration to get rid of her.

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