At this point, every attempt at this ludicrously dishonest spin can and should be met with the same one-word response - "Mamdani."
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Damned if we vote, damned if we don't. We're not allowed to criticize or call out behavior or opinions that harm us. I guess the upside is I get to enjoy a little "eww"phoria for being treated like a woman when it comes to having my concerns taken seriously. Fuck I hate living here.
The stupidity of saying that it’s the left backstabbing the liberals is just infuriating. These people are hopeless.

"Vote blue no matter who" crowd on their way to solely blame (realistically) 50-100k leftists who abstained either due to their views on electorialism or Palestine.
I've seen so much braindead shit online about the loss and "what could be done different", like statistics showing that if only uni educated people voted then Kamala would have won and people supporting this idea, making lists of every leftist who said they wouldn't vote to punish them later or something, prohibiting MAGA voters from voting ever again, etc. These same people then proceed to cry fascism.
Alright, so tell me which viable candidate would have been good for Palestine.
Harris would have been better than Trump. What are you trying to argue?
That is what I'm trying to argue. There was no option that was good for Palestine, so using that as your sticking point was stupid.
At least with Harris there was a slim chance she'd see reason.
Gloat more. It's all you're doing. You got your genocide. Stop trying to make everyone love it as much as you do.
I don't think you know what the word 'gloat' means.
There was one option that could be forced to be good for Palestine, but liberals were like "but my unity against fascism!!!!" and browbeat progressives into silence. Remember Uncommitted? Well I fucking do, so congratulations on Trump.
Tankies are really showing their privilege. They aren't under seige so they can afford to wait and keep their self perceived purity. Harm minimization isn't ideal, but does help more than getting out of the way for fascism.
There are more than just presidential elections, and those often matter more, yet they still discourage people from showing up. Then they wonder why candidates they like stay on the fringe.
Voting isn't everything, but it does matter.
Harm minimization isn't ideal, but does help more than getting out of the way for fascism.
Let me know if democrats ever have a candidate who doesn't get out of the way for fascism.
When they're not actively helping it by selling it weapons, adopting its immigration policies, and agreeing with it about vulnerable minorities.
We could have more AOCs and Mamdanis. But please explain why letting Republicans win uncontested and sell even more weapons is helpful? Pretty much everything is better with the dems, even the ones that we should replace with progressive (which we won't thanks to tankies no showing)
PSA if you read carefully you'd see I'm agreeing with you and asking you for help and for my efforts your working twice as hard to leave me in a worse political situation
We could have more AOCs and Mamdanis.
We had two more. Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. Your pro-genocide-and-nothing-else wing of the party only ever protects centrist incumbents though.
But please explain why letting Republicans win uncontested and sell even more weapons is helpful? Pretty much everything is better with the dems, even the ones that we should replace with progressive (which we won’t thanks to tankies no showing)
It isn't. Maybe democrats should offer an alternative instead of just slightly less of the same shit.
PSA if you read carefully you’d see I’m agreeing with you
No. You're carrying water for a candidate that is no longer running because people said she shouldn't have supported genocide. Your objection is to the genocide opposition.
Maybe democrats should offer an alternative instead of just slightly less of the same shit.
Did you go to the primary?
Your objection is to the genocide opposition.
No its to your lack of pragmatism in voting for progressives were possible and not careing about harm minimization where not because you are privileged enough to not care
Did you go to the primary?
Yes.
No its to your lack of pragmatism
I vote for progressives in the primary, even though the genocide happy wing of the party, your genocide happy wing of the party, makes sure that the primaries are kabuki where we don't get a choice. I voted for harris in the general.
you are privileged enough to not care
You care a great deal. You just want the genocide to continue and you got your only fucking wish.
vote for progressives in the primary. I voted for harris in the general.
Good and we need more people to join us
You just want the genocide to continue and you got your only fucking wish.
Feel free to quote where I've said so
You saw people objecting to genocide and decided to defend one of its supporters. A genocide supporter who is no longer running. She is no longer politically relevant, but the genocide still is. We need a candidate who doesn't support genocide. We needed such a candidate in 2024.
But since centrist democrats didn't want such a candidate, we weren't given an opportunity to vote for one, either in the primaries or in the general. Congratulations on your win. You got what you wanted in the primaries, and you got what you were ok with in the general. Now lecture people who are suffering about how privileged they are to have two parties that consider them expendable.
Gloat that such a choice was unavailable.
I'm not gloating. I was pissed Harris was the only option besides Trump, but I'm not an idiot and voted for her because at least with her we'd have elections in 4 years.
And at least with her there was a chance, albeit slim, that she only supported Israel in her campaign to get donations then would do what all politicians do and go back on their promises. Or at least see reason, something Trump would never do.
That doesn't answer my question. Specifically what candidate, besides Harris, stood a chance of beating Trump that would have been good for Palestine?
You can go ahead and get rid of the besides Harris part of your sentence there since she didn't.
How about you went to the streets before you got a duopoly of genocide apologists to become your only option? Oh no, but but but, my team was bEtTeR.
But nooooo, you were fine with genocide as long as it didn't affect you, and the multiple wars abroad before that. And now, you guys have to pretend to protest the dismantling of your own nation. Seems very much like karma, doesn't it?
So, well done. The system led to Trump, not the opinions on genocide in Palestine. US has a history of being fine with worse. If you can't see that and find blame someone else to blame, you're too far in your own ass to see it.
Dude with this mindset no one could ever live a normal life. At any given moment in your life there is slavery, genocide, whatever going on. Any of which could be a reason to take to the streets in your mind. So since you're not in the streets about slavery going on in the world you're fine with it? You're not in the streets about sex trafficking are you, I guess you just don't care about sex trafficking and it's victims because it doesn't impact you. This is how you sound.
But of course, you lecture the masses oh wise one. Tell us the error of our ways, how did we stray from the path only you can see?
If your country is doing sex trafficking and slavery (the latter at least is true) then yes, that is something you should take to the streets for. Something happening and something being done with your tax dollars are two completely different things. Don't project your lack of moral principles and/or spine on other people.
I don't even know half the horrible things the US is doing. And the EU is doing plenty of messed up stuff too. Same with Asia. So wait, every single person should be in the streets then? What country are you from? Why are you not in the streets?
I don't even know half the horrible things the US is doing.
Why? You have the sum total of humanity's knowledge between your fingertips and you still can't be bothered to at least educate yourself? "I don't give a shit about other people and neither should you" is not the flex you think it is.
So wait, every single person should be in the streets then?
Literally yes. By the way, plenty of people in your own country are marching and organizing against for-profit prisons (aka slavery). As I said above, don't project your own lack of principles on others.
Why are you not in the streets?
Because I'll be imprisoned for years and likely tortured. How about you?
Because I'll be imprisoned for years and likely tortured. How about you?
Probably the same reason? Do you think no else stands to lose by sticking their head up?
If they had that to worry about they'd have said so, not made a meaningless and disgusting appeal to normalcy.
That seems like a pretty massive assumption, you're gonna need to show some evidence for it.
Keep gloating that your only policy was going to be enacted and that none of the rest of us had any meaningful choice.
If harris had done the right thing, you would have voted for trump.
What the actual fuck are you talking about?
If harris had said that she would stop selling weapons for genocide, you would have voted for trump.
Again, what the actual fuck are you talking about?
Your reading comprehension must be absolutely horrendous, because at no point did I say anything that would have remotely suggested that I would do such a thing.
You're still carrying water for her against people whose major objection to her was her support for genocide.
You don't have to do that. But people are saying that selling weapons for genocide is bad no matter who does it, and that must not stand.
She's not running anymore. She lost. The election is over. Attempting to convince people who already voted for her that she was a better choice in response to people who are upset that they didn't get an anti-genocide candidate just makes it look like you're defending the policy people had a problem with.
Because you are.
"Then they came for the undocumented migrants, because I told them nobody cared about Trans people, and those people have dark skin so they make me uncomfortable"
Jesus, you people make up things in your head and get mad at them just like MAGA
You people act reprehensibly toward vulnerable minorities and then gaslight anyone who notices.
Just. Like. maga.
Tankies aren't serious people and often discourage a shift left by abstaining from voting
Anyone who wants better than a choice between genocide or genocide with a light patch where the BLM sticker used to be must be a tankie.
Proof that leftists don't vote?
Go to the .ml serversvand remind them why its important and that there are more than just presidential elections. They'll put more effort onto justify their no show than taking an evening to do so.
To be clear I'm not even disagreeing with their complaints. But their discourse on not voting keeps us form moving left. Voting is an important part. Harm minimization is still important to many vulnerable people.
Go to the .ml serversvand remind them why its important and that there are more than just presidential elections.
Who the hell cares about .ml? Those are actual tankies. You keep throwing that word around, but it's not synonymous with "leftist I don't like." What group are we talking about here, tankies or leftists?
But their discourse on not voting keeps us form moving left.
I'm telling you to back this up with numbers if you want to be taken seriously.
I'm telling you to back this up with numbers if you want to be taken seriously.
Search them yourself. No shows have won pretty much every elections for decades. There are States that show even Texas being able to flip, but people no show. We lefties are the ones making a move and then not showing. We don't even run third party to spoil and show our significance
Search them yourself.
"Do your own research" are we?
No shows have won pretty much every elections for decades.
Proof that those no shows are coming from the left?
https://fairvote.org/resources/voter-turnout/#voter-turnout-by-state
Is that hard to find? Still look at it and over several years. Texas in particular is none voting. Progressive ideas just poll better individually too. That means its our elections to lose as lefties. The fact Rs are working overtime to further disenfranchise is because they know they are unpopular. Many places could flip
E: look at tx in 2014. If all college DSA, greens, and such showed up several races could have tipped due to how few Rs showed too... Its our game to win and we aren't playing
If all college DSA, greens, and such showed up several races could have tipped due to how few Rs showed too…
...and if someone had treated them like constituents instead of hostages, they might have. Democrats consider such behavior beneath them. Who do those children think they are? Dick Cheney?
You keep making claims without offering any sources for them. Like hell we know American voter turnout is low, doubly so for quite a few red states, but that's not enough to back up your claim that it's leftists not voting that's tipping the scale rather than centrists or undecided people. Like you have still offered no proof that leftists aren't showing up.
Go to the .ml serversvand remind them why its important and that there are more than just presidential elections.
Yeah, we know. It's why your wing of the party is trying so hard to ratfuck Mamdani and Fateh. And why they succeeded in ratfucking David Hogg. It's why they ratfucked Jessica Cisneros, Jamaal Bowman, and Cori Bush.
Where's your better candidate doing more to beat MAGA? Where's your hard work to get them through primaries onto the ballot?
Getting more progressives in office doesn't start with "not voting". It ends with voting for them when you show us a better candidate & get them on the ballot.
So far, the best contender seems to be the only one putting up a real fight. Show us a better alternative worthy of a coalition, and do the hard work of building that coalition around them.
MAGA did the hard work. They infiltrated all levels of government, all legislatures, executive posts of several states. They built coalitions from the bottom up.
The left will need to do at least as much work.
The left has two parties fighting against them. maga had (and has) zero parties fighting against them.
MAGA (and the Tea Party before them) also ripped apart anyone who didn't get on with their program. They didn't say "but we need to unite against the radical left!!!". The left will need to do that too.
No they're not.
Anyone using Newsom as an excuse to not vote against fascism is nowhere on the left. Not a liberal, not a leftist, not a progressive.
Newsom signed a bill that cut a lot of services to address the deficit. It didn't "target" any one group, and anyone who says it did is a right-wing agitator.
Anyone who pretends Newsom is a deal-breaker was never, EVER going to vote blue regardless.
When we say "Newsom backstabbed homeless people" we're talking more about the making homelessness illegal part.
It didn't "target" any one group, and anyone who says it did is a right-wing agitator.
"Everyone I don't like is MAGA" isn't how you make coalitions if you actually care about that (which I doubt). Well too bad, because the very act of cutting services is targeting the state's most vulnerable.
Anyone who pretends Newsom is a deal-breaker was never, EVER going to vote blue regardless.
Tinfoil hat much?
Anyone who pretends Newsom is a deal-breaker was never, EVER going to vote blue regardless.
Anyone for whom newsom is acceptable would vote for trump over any progressive. Without hesitation.
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