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[–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Cue the pivot for some "women's jobs" becoming more "manly"...

an AI bot can’t be trained to take over their daily tasks like sterilizing surgical equipment

...until someone realizes how much of this can be simple automation, AI not needed.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sterilizing equipment in an autoclave is already pretty automated, it's just the adding and removing the tools I guess?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I have sterilized equipment in a an operating room. At the hospital I worked at, most instruments got sent to a central processing where there were first given a soak before going into a what was basically a large dish washer. Once the instruments were cleaned, they were sorted by hand and loaded into the appropriate instrument cases before being hand wrapped and taped. Some of the more specialized sets, delicate tools, and scopes were cleaned by myself or another OR aide.

    So most surgical tools can definitely be automated but some of the more delicate or specialized tools do require an actual person to clean them.

    This was ten years ago so who knows how technology has changed in that time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Good? I don't understand the defense of having more jobs for people.

    Genuine question, aside from the creative ventures (which I believe generative AI should never be used for in a professional setting), what's the value in having people work for work's sake? Like the monotonous jobs, the jobs that don't have any real value but still should get done.

    I've never held a strong identity with my job, and I really don't understand why others, particularly in America, do.

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  • the reason is because a strong demand for human labor drives wages up.

    the free labor market is regulated by supply and demand, i.e. a high demand for human workforce leads to higher prices for that labor (a.k.a wages)

    now, if AI takes the jobs, the overall demand for human labor diminishes, and that's gonna lower the wages even for those jobs who are themselves not affected by AI.

    with low wages, people would have to organize and demand Universal Basic Income, but since people in america historically find it difficult to organize and demand something, lots of people are worried that UBI either won't come or will be too little to live well off it.

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    [–] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Given the current conditions and outlook in the US for young men, I'm not surprised that pessimism and depression are high. This correlates with suicide too.

    • That said, I'm going on spite and curiosity.
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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As a Gen-Z young man in the US with both a B.S. and graduate/professional degree who is unemployed — I can corroborate. I usually ponder suicide and the point of it all at least once a week while applying to jobs and being a leach off my parents for financial support. Love em for that though. If I didn’t have their emotional and financial support, I’d probably just go ahead and take that long nap lol.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'd think twice about taking a "long nap". You're gonna have to take it eventually, so there's no real need to hurry it. In the meantime you might find something you really like that you would have otherwise missed if you had taken the nap early.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can’t poke holes in your logic there. It just feels like every day is mediocre and the world isn’t exactly conducive to positive change, whether on a large scale or smaller, personal scale.

    Feels like proper in-person socialization has been obliterated in favor of Discord, TikTok, Insta, Reddit and of course, work, sleep, family. The internet used to be fun and interesting imo, when life sucked, it was an escape. Now it’s just anger, engagement bait, ads, bots, scams, etc., all centralized to a few shitty platforms.

    I won’t be takin’ the long nap anytime soon unless something catastrophic happens lol, but damn it’d be nice to literally hibernate through this shit the world seems to be going through because I certainly seem entirely powerless to change it or myself for the better.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I can't really poke holes in your logic either lol. All I can say is that you might benefit from carving out your own corner of the world. Maybe pick up a hobby and/or find a niche corner of the internet. Either way gl with the job hunt and all that.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    Yeah because nobody wants to start with nothing only to work for nothing for the rest of their lives. Were just unlucky enough to learn about your exploitation before we enter the iob market.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    any day now, that steel mill is just going to open right back up. you'll see, it's coming next week

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Man, I've heard the job market is rough, but I didn't know it was this dour.

    I think what will ultimately happen is that we will see an uptick in people being employed in trades, as these are traditionally male roles, well paying^*^ and AI proof.

    With an influx of workers going after skilled labour, the companies may initially cut wages - why pay you a good wage when someone hungrier will take a shittier one - but most trades have unions and if the unions get bigger as a result of the influx of skilled people looking for work, then the wages will come back up through union action.

    It's kind of an economics lesson in a way, and I'm vastly oversimplify the nuances that are interlinked in this cycle I'm describing, but that's what I expect will likely happen over the next decade or two.

    All of this comes at a good time, as trades were big in the 80s, and all those tradesmen are retiring. There was (in the 2010s) a big shortage of people wanting to do tradeswork and now the thing is kind of coming full circle


    *= They are not so well paying right now.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am somewhat doubtful of this. It's not like trades went away... but they are unattractive for other reasons. Here is Europe at least, they are full of old right-wing guys that demand servitude and cultural assimilation from young people joining apprenticeships, and few make it to the grueling end after some years, and even fewer want to continue with the same shop afterwards.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    We've seen a real boom-bust over here, on the other side of the pond from you. Part of it has been tied to oil, at least in my neck of the woods.

    Yes, plenty of right wingers here too in the trades, but that's par for the course in my province. Not necessarily toxic work environments like they used to be, or what you are describing, but still rough and tumble

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