Edit: Replaced "Restrictions" in place of the word "Ban"

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[–] 79 points 1 year ago

I use F-droid for everything. I'd truly be fucked.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Hoping that EU comes to the rescue.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nah they wont.

    Sure, they are really good on the right-to-repair issue, but that's because they want to be more independent and less reliant on other countries to make new phones. As for privacy and information control, the government don't really have an incentive to give people more privacy and freedoms. They are still trying to pass chat control with a majority of the EU members in support (the only reason its not passed yet is because EU laws need to be unanimous)

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    You obviously don't understand EU, it's far from only right to repair, but EU has many protections against American shenanigans, like tracking and storing of personal data, and right to be forgotten (GDPR). EU Also dictated Apple should allow sideloading, something Apple of course mostly circumvented, but they could face steep fines for that too.
    EU also has way stricter regulation than USA and UK on mass surveillance. And generally way better consumer protection than USA.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    EU also mandates de-anonymisation online: (1). EU also plans to have every single message one sends to be scanned by them.

    I think the reasoning behind their decisions is simply summed up as: more power to the EU administration, less freedom for everyone else, be it US tech giants, EU citizens or small software developers.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    For the immediate future, I'll be all set with GrapheneOS.

    Beyond that, I'll suffer whatever inconveniences I need to in order to avoid this bullshit. If that means I can't use my banking apps, I'll find a better bank, or use the web site, or just say "fuck it all" and stop banking on my phone altogether. I've already given up NFC payments. It's not the end of the world.

    This will only become a bigger pain in the ass as time goes on, I'm sure, but I will die on this hill. I suggest that everyone draw their lines in the sand sooner rather than later.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yep. Me too. I'll be OK for now with GrapheneOS, and as time goes on I'll make changes as needed. I'm actually optimistic things will work out before it gets to that point, but if it doesn't I'm willing to do what I need to. I will die on the hill with you.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago

    Chaos and rebellion.

    Sell off any phones that I can't modify. Aggressively de-Google while setting up fake accounts to send garbage into their system training.

    Light my way with the burning of bridges.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    I'm so tired of this shit man, I no longer have any real plan.
    I'm seriously considering carrying the smallest x86/ARM Tablet capable of running Linux I can alongside some cheap phone for 4G hotspot and calls/strictly necessary.

    Guess PC land is the last place we still have freedom (for now!!!! 🙄🙄🙄)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not for long, the Microsoft boot secure thing is sus

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I’m not one to bang on about the year of Linux, but honestly, the floor is falling out from under ‘consumer Windows,’ and they are doing little to stop it.

    At some point, even OEMs are going to get fed up and start offering their own wine/proton centric distros on some laptops/big tablets. They will be awful and bloated, and business laptops will probably be stuck with Windows forever, but still.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If my job didn't require MS Authenticator I would just be carrying around a dumb phone and my work laptop.

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  • [–] 100 points 1 year ago

    Waiting for someone in Europe to sue them.

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  • Once my phone becomes that limited I may as well go back to a feature phone after mine stops being usable.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago
    1. I'll believe it when I see it.
    2. I'll begin transitioning to a different linux-based os
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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Trying to import a Pixel 10 from outside of the states for the Sim slot.

    Then GrapheneOS and run it into the ground.

    I really hope Graphene partners with Fairphone, helps them get their security up to par, and make the Fairphone the official Graphene phone.

    Then I could just use Fairphone forever.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The 10 might not get graphene due to changes in the way the hardware is done. If you want graphene now, grab a pixel 9 instead. Or at least wait till they have an official statement for it.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There hasn't been anything Google on my phone for a while now, so I'll first wait and see how they regain control over my phone :D

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm probably going to spam this around a bit, since most people don't seem to know about it, but a reminder that FuriLabs has a (GNU+)Linux phone with decent spec.s and the ability to run Android app.s (from what I've heard) pretty decently: https://furilabs.com/

    Biggest drawback is it's based on Halium. Usual growing pains of a new product/company apply but apparently the company is pretty responsive and their dev.s have worked with customers to get things like calling working with the carrier and bands of their country where it hasn't worked before so improvements move pretty quickly.

    Collection of different experiences I've variously seen online over the last year or so:

    I don't own one, myself, so I can't give any personal experience but I've seen it around for a few years now but most people don't seem to even know about it. Maybe there's a reason for that? But none I've ever seen anyone say.

    (all that said, – if they take PayPal – I'm gonna buy one with PayPal credit as soon as humanly feasible; the end goal, for me, was always to move to Mobile Linux, eventually, so I'm very interested to try out if this makes it finally feasible, for me)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    FLX1 has an audio jack, SD card, and removable battery?? If they continue to develop this (if it doesn't die by the wayside, as the others have), and Signal continues to work on it, I'm in! From this cursory look, it seems to be exactly what I was looking for.

    Edit: holy crap. It's bigger than the Pixel 7 Pro.

    Pixel 7 Pro FLX1
    162.9mm 171mm
    76.6mm 82mm
    8.9mm 12mm
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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    We'll have to see how they implement it first. If it's just through Play Protect, I'm fine as I'm already not using that. If not, guess I'll have to make-do with a Linux phone.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm going to wait for someone else to figure out a workaround and write a tutorial. Then wait for some indian youtuber to make a video tutorial out of that.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Gonna push me to using a dumb phone and a Linux laptop I guess.

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So how long until celluar providers also say you have to have a trusted device to activate your SIM? Apple, Google, Samsung, automotive and Windows would be fine and they’d probably allow their branded or limited hotspots.

    This would basically eliminate any Linux option (pc or phone), and DIY devices. I could see other OOB vendors getting on board to be certified to have a certificate issued to them.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Strongly Considering going back to a Prepaid burner style and just carrying a laptop everywhere.

    I don't need to be that connected.

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    Honestly, last year I started a "tech reclaimation" period where I was reclaiming my time from corporate social media to free myself from the (as arctic monkeys put it) "endless stream of great tv".

    I've moved to selfhosting almost all my services and have gone back to physical media (except my digital backup library) for most games and movies.

    The detox has been nice, I enjoy games again, I can experience boredom and all the inspiration that comes with it. Life is good. Disconnection is bliss.

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  • my plan is not updating my phone until the google plan is reversed.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Pray for lawsuits.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Honestly no idea. It's hard enough finding a phone with an audio jack, and now I have to find a phone with an audio jack, and an unlockable bootloader so I can install another OS?

    Just seems like my way of living is incompatible with modern society. It's all just too hard

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Just seems like my way of living is incompatible with modern society. It's all just too hard

    I know right?
    Used a locked phone! Submit your ID to the web! Create a Instagram account! SUBMIT! SUBMIT! SUBMIT!

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Stay on GrapheneOS as long as I can, then look for an alternative OS like trying Linux phones again and maybe they will be ready for prime time by then (hope springs eternal and all that).

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Not updating my phone for now. Installing a custom ROM on my next phone

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Probably grapheneos until it dies (thanks Google) then 2 phones, a cheap stock one at home shutdown and no sim, only for critical services that are exclusively app based, and a Linux phone as my main.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have been using custom ROMs since CyanogenMod and am currently mostly on GrapheneOS, some of it entirely Google-free.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I ordered a Pixel and plan to flash Graphine. I hate the cruel irony of paying Google to degoogle a phone, but my current phone is on its last legs.

    Hope to keep this one alive a good few years, after that I have no clue. I hope Linux phones catch up.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Better hope the pixel 10 has it unlockable bootloader I know I am

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hopefully GrapheneOS can be my solution since I've got a Pixel 7a, but I first need to move over all my 2FA accounts because Twilio Authy does not work on GrapheneOS 😭

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Im sorta lazy. Did not switch to linux until windows 11 even though I should have after windows 7. I use the android that came on the phone because im lazy but I have to be able to sideload so this may turn out to be androids windows 11.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I'm probably going to have get a separate phone for work, need a few apps that I don't foresee working on a Linux phone anytime soon.

    "The apps don't work on my phone" won't fly as an excuse lol, and I like my job most days.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Im starting to get to a point where I don’t even want to have a phone anymore. Like fuck people in general lol I don’t have many who call or text anyway. The browsing I do I can just stick to my PC.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I'll stay on GrapheneOS as long as possible. And if it stops, I'll get a Linux phone.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've been meaning to get around to installing GrapheneOS on my phone (Pixel 7 pro) for a while now. I'll make sure my next phone has a LineageOS ROM available.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    If this actually happens, my next phone will probably be a dumb phone, unless I can find a true linux phone.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I haven't fully researched that topic yet but should I be safe with e/os?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    For now... Google is developing AOSP more and more behind closed doors, which is more troubling for other Android based OS's. So even if e/OS is not (much) effected by this 'sideloading' thing, other choices Google makes will destroy something at some point.

    If Google is going to build this "sideload protection" in the core of Android, this is going to be very bad, even for e/OS.

    Fuck Google.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Wait and see, then panic if affected.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I've been using LineageOS for years, and have been planning for my next phone to be a used Pixel running GrapheneOS. While this announcement from Google sucks shit, it won't affect me I don't think. More worrying are the other changes in the pipeline that would stop development of GrapheneOS. I am dying for a working Linux phone.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    We HAD one. It was called Greenphone.

    It didn't sell.

    Now we don't.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I sideload two apps and when I can't use them anymore is when I can't trust android. One of them is package disabler pro. I use it to keep androids bloat and spyware shutdown.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Shit bro that app is STILL working???? I remember running that on my LG and Samsung phones

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Google removed it from the play store. I bought it in 2023 for my phone.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Shit I remember now....I bought this and when the app was pulled and brought back I had to buy it again (which I didn't)

    Luckily there was some type of Samsung KNOX developer key thing that I did which worked for few years until Samsung permanently blocked it

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I'm not sure really.

    I like the idea of alternatives like a Linux phone OS or a custom ROM like Graphene, but I also hate the idea of needing to faff around with my phone to make it work how I want it to.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What about Aurora Store and F-Droid?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    You have to "side-load" those apps, so they will at least need to register with Google. Aurora is unlikely to be granted such dispensation. Apps that are currently only offered through F-Droid will also need to be registered with Google. I doubt they'll look kindly on apps like NewPipe, or AdAway.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I've been looking into pure Linux Phones like Ubuntu touch and the Kali Mobile thing. Shame that its limited to hardware that I can't find here

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    gonna stop buying ARM based devices until they figure their FOSS shit out to the extent x86 had in 2022

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It affects only people using factory roms and google play services. I don't remember the last time I used a factory rom, I've use microg for nearly a decade, (and I'm a mod of !microg@discuss.tchncs.de) and I'm not planning to change this workflow even when I will replace my phone, so I'm pretty sure I'm not affected at all.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    See the thing with this is, Google would be forcing manufacturers to meet their "requirements" in order to get Google Play Certified, now they are using the requirement list to force this change, they could also add a "Disable Bootloader Unlocking" requirement to certification.

    Its the mobile equivalent of the "Windows 11 TPM Requirement".

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