Thunderbird Pro will offer Thundermail email service, appointment scheduling, file sharing, and maybe even AI features. Email will be hosted on German servers.

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[–] 3 points 1 year ago

Please don't name it Thundermail

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Thanks, I hate it

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    It would be preferable if they were hosted in either Czechia or Spain mew.

    Specially knowing how anti-immigration policies, criminalisation of pro-palestinian movements and the current ascendance of fascism...

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago

    All kerfuffle about Germany aside, I'm at least interested to see where they go with this since I feel like Proton is kind of resting on its laurels as well as continuing to treat Linux users as second class citizens (I also had longstanding issues with Tuta, too long to go into here, but which would probably not effect most of its users).

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Give it a name that tells you about the features, don't call it pro. Yuck.

    I read through the brief article but I didn't see anything about email masks (or email aliases if you want to look at it that way). Firefox provides masks, they work well and are useful. I could see thunderbird adding that as part of the subscription service, since Mozilla is already doing it anyway.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Germany’s returning back to full fascism, with overt state surveillance. This is bad news.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Well . . . at least it's not in the US . . . ?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You don’t think the EU and US are sharing surveillance data?

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm sure they do. Do you self-host your email? I'm not smart or patient enough to do that, so I have to trust someone, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    If you self-host it, you´re actually more open to lesser vector of attack, since I really doubt you will go into building robust security solutions with your personal IP. That includes local law enforcement or criminal elements just taking your server.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The US and EU are tight-knit allies in empire. The US Empire has hegemony, sure, but the EU is still a willing participant in imperialism. They are all millitary allies through NATO, they share data. If you live in the west, the west having data on you is what can harm you.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I think this is cool and will make it easier for the average person to move away from the big tech providers that do the most damage to privacy.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Germany where support for Palestine and opposition to the genocide are considered antisemitism.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Womp womp. I support Palestine but how is this related?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You´re technically a criminal in their eyes, and hence if they decide to boost their dictatorship into looking for the people don´t like, they will have legal basis to order for the server databases and fuck you up....

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Just look at feddit

    In Germany, antisemitism is specifically sanctioned in German criminal law, both for speech and as a motivation for other criminal behavior. In addition, Germany seeks to protect the Jewish state of Israel (the so-called “Reason of State” introduced in 2008) and thus verges toward protecting Zionism as well. Certain criticism of Israel/Israelis is also categorized as “Israel-related antisemitism”. Since criminal law is involved, enforcement can mean things like police raids and device confiscations. After such police action, it does not really matter if it was appropriate or if cases are dropped or never charged: The damage is done.

    https://lemmy.ml/post/30215623

    https://feddit.org/post/12550375

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Betterbird is better anyways.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 year ago

    Maybe they can find a way to host from the Moon 🌕before the Chinese 🇨🇳 colonize it 😉.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is one of those features not taking 2-3 minutes to start and removing the need for it to sync the entire email account over 5 - 10 minutes after loading? I like the program, but it’s clunky and slow. Couldn’t see paying for “pro” if that’s the finished product.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    That's fine, I'll just silently treat the Thundermail users in the same way I treat people who use AI to write mail replies.

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    I'm OK with that just as much as I'm OK with random internet strangers downvoting me without bothering to even question my reasoning. To add fuel to the fire I'm happy to report that I look down upon GAFAM-mail users in general as well! 😁

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Who would be able to access my emails at rest?

    If the answer isn't abso-fucking-lutely no one, I'm not interested.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    How would that work? Their mail server still has to receive emails on your behalf.

    Unless you mean whether they plan to sell data, which I agree they should absolutely not.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Emails could be end to end encrypted, so the mail server wouldnt be able to see the emails. Basicslly PGP but out-of-the-box

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The problem is that basically no one uses PGP. Adoption would be hard

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    But there are workarounds like the one Infomaniak uses (I believe Proton does it too). When sending an encrypted email to a non encrypted user, a link is sent instead of the contents of the email instead. In any case, encryption at rest with user provided keys and things like that are always an option.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    If the encryption at rest is done by the server, that defeats the point.

    Also, how does the user receiving an encrypted email access it? Do they have to enter a password? How is the password transmitted to them?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    In transit, it's impossible to get them all, though it should support PGP to anyone else that has it.

    At rest, it should all be locked down so only I can access, they may have to store some messages temporarily until I connect to provide the encryption, but everything else better be completely inaccessible.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Subscribers to Thunderbird Pro users get 500GB of storage space

    That's big enough to do disk backups in the mailbox.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'd prefer exchange support first.

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    Actually they are working on it, albeit slowly, it seems. Fingers crossed and in the meantime there is davmail.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    oh well fuck me, this is mindblowing news. microsoft has always been so precious about the exchange protocol i just assumed that's the way it would always be

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I just like the idea that it’s using stalwart as the collaboration server (mail/calendar/contacts) [1].

    I host my own personal mail server with it and have had no issues so far.

    [1] https://stalw.art/

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