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[–] 61 points 1 year ago (20 children)

I hate how stupid my fucking country is.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Yeah it's going to be Newsom vs Vance and the left will scream that it should have been Bernie and that they'll be voting for Jill Stein.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Almost like this has happened before but the Dems will intentionally not learn from their previous mistakes

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    According to the left anything the democrats will do is a mistake.

    I like how the left sidesteps that whole issue by not running anyone.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Leftists have been very clear about why the Democrats are failing their voters. A party that supports Capitalism can not support workers, simple as.

    You can start listening to them and stop trying to bully them into submission any time you feel like engaging in reality.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    People would listen if they actually showed up. If leftists are so numerous then it shouldn't be a problem to get many candidates elected. See mamdani. But in general they do not.

    So either that many leftists don't exist or their policies aren't actually that popular OR theyre too lazy or ideological to go vote.

    Either way, it ensures "establishment" candidates go on to the general election.

    The only time your voice matters is in the voting booth. Far too many eschew that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Lefits show up and vote all the time. But the DNC keeps pushing them out of the race, so that they don't get on the ballot.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah...if that were true leftists would have the numbers and get people on the ballot. Or you're just admitting that leftists are not nearly as numerous as you claim.

    Again- look at Mamdani. Over 25% of voters hadn't voted in a primary in over a decade. They finally decide to do so and ta da, a leftist wins the primary.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh, you mean when they finally get a leftist to vote for, they show up to vote? Crazy. Who could have seen that coming?

    Leftists demonstrably vote, but not for right-wingers, so the DNC should probably stop kicking leftists off the ballot, and stop running right-wingers.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    The only thing leftists have in spades are excuses.

    I wish you people would put up or shut up.

    I say this as someone who WANTS those policies but of course the entire world is against leftists somehow and youre never short of reasons why you lose so goddamn often.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, we also have votes. But if you ignore all of the data showing how we show up to vote when given the option, but are not given the option, then you won't see it.

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  • I guess. I don't see the sense in letting the right wing drive the car off the cliff because the car is not moving quick enough to your goals but you do you.

    And you should be showing up all the time is the point. Including primaries for all positions.

    The only way to overcome the inertia in the Democratic party is to, you know, actually participate every time. But in general primaries are very sparsely attended affairs and all these people with such great ideas don't put forth a candidate or at the least don't show up to move them past a primary. C'est la vie.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Not "anything" the Democrats will do, just the great, vast majority of things. Like running terrible candidates, on unpopular platforms, screwing over the voters, fighting to keep popular politicians and polices from getting on the ballot...

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Then maybe we should offer the left a candidate that they'll vote for. It'd be a nice change of pace.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    At this point, it's tantamount to a name ID poll.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    The DNC has found their new milquetoast Neoliberal!

    Yayyyy

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This fuckin guy has been moving right for the last several years. This is the same strategy that lost the Democrats the last election, and it will lose them the next one.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He has always been on the right

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're probably right. I just watched as he wasted no time implementing the Supreme Court ruling that cities could outlaw homelessness. More recently he's been sitting down with far right media personalities.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    No. He should do what he can to push out and fight against this current regime, but nobody likes him or wants him as a president. Nobody.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    That's a pretty good point

    I'm appreciating Newsom as a foil to Trump, and want him to continue that, but I really wouldn't want him to be the Democratic nominee. I'd much rather have a Mamdani-esque nominee

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You've got to remember that you and I are not the average Democratic primary voter. Clearly there are plenty of Democrats who think this is a good idea.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    You should read the article. In the pole referenced Newsom is in 6th place. He got a higher than expected percentage of the poling which the author has blown up here with their deceptive clickbaity headline. Possibly in an effort to make people think that Newsom is the favorite.

    Not that I'd be really happy to vote for the actual favorite in the pole which is Kamala Harris. Though I would absolutely vote for her over Newsom any day of the week.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Why not? I don't know much about him except that he isn't 300 years old like the rest of the Democrats.

    He seems to be doing a good job in California?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    His willingness to throw trans kids under the bus is one of my problems with him.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    He's just another slimy corporatist owned by the ultra wealthy, but throws a bone to the social issues of Democrats. Pretty much the same strategy that modern Democrats have had for the past 40+ years. I will absolutely vote for him in the general or support him in pushing against Trump/Repulicans, but he's one of my least favorite Democrats now.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    He's nothing if not a political opportunist. Really hoping a better candidate starts gaining traction though.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fuck this guy. Fuck him. He's a piece of shit that's desperate to be the next president because he's seen how low the bar is.

    I'm a Californian, and I know we can do better. Demand better, America.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago

    While I know this is nothing more than name recognition at this point, still just ugh...

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We really are in the idiocracy timeline.

    Politicians are picked on their staffer’s ai meme game

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    It's kinda sad to just hope that there will still be elections, at that point...

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    It is twenty-fucking-twenty-five. Why on earth is this a thing that even exists?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Because every candidate surging in polls 3 years ahead of the election have ever made it close to winning.

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    I don't want to lose him, but Gov Ned Lamont from CT is a pretty good governor. Maybe a little bit more towards the center than some would like but he's done a good job with jobs, taxes and covid

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    no matter what i will not vote for him

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    The alternative is the Republican. Nobody else will win.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    that’s for the democrats to decide. but i will not vote for him full stop. they have time to change if they wish. but voting for him is a non starter

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You aren't required to vote for him in the primary, but failing to vote for the Democrat in the general is how we got Trump again.

    If you don't want another shitshow of a Republican president, you have to vote for the Democrat.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    if my choice is between him and any republican, then bring on the end of democracy. enough with the farce. i will no longer vote to further gild this age.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    we have had this discussion before… it was extensive.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Bears repeating. Your methodology is a race to the bottom, encouraging the worst candidate gets elected every time.

    Nothing changes if you sit things out except it all gets worse.

    "One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ew. Patrick Bateman much?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Republicans are rigging elections because they know that if they lose power, they're going to hang for their crimes.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Dem party infighting is exactly what the GOP wants. Don’t fall for it.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Are you kidding? Infighting is the only thing that will lead to a decent candidate. Primary fights are great

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Why are you talking like this before a primary even happens? Why do you want the Democratic party to lose? What you disparage as "infighting" sane people would call debate.

    There's a toxic impulse among some centrists, the kind of folks that the label "Blue MAGA" applies to. This toxic impulse is to take a very Big Brother or Trumpian approach to politics. Circle the wagons. Support the leadership no matter what. Don't try to improve the party or make sure the best candidate wins. Don't focus on holding bad actors accountable. Just vote for dear leader and everything will be fine.

    You're not even waiting til the after the primary to start vomiting "Vote Blue No Matter Who."

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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