UK has it with 60-70mph highways that resemble American city avenues. Much less room for error - oh and a roundabout every so often to switch things up. Between that and on/off ramps designed for golf carts, i think we could really learn the average idiot driver.

In Buffalo, NY the Scajaquada or 198 I think was a barrier lined 50mph byway that connected 190 to 33 (I might be fucking these exact roads up its been a while). It cuts thru Deleware Park. There had never been a single accident involving a vehicle and someone at Delaware Park in the 50 years it was like this. Then 1 driver with narcolepsy falls asleep and kills someone at Delaware Park. The dumb as fuck Byron Brown spear heads the change reducing the entire 198 to 25 fucking miles per hour. NEVER. NOT ONCE has a single cop enforced it, nor a single drive abide by it. Everyone still goes 40-50 like nothing changed but the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent repainting and redesigning the markings of the 198 but nothing done to change it from a barrier lined 50-65mph designed roadway.

Then there's those spots where the speed limit is 25mph, but they throw a few "safety humps" in there, and you have to slow down below 10mph or you'll throw out at axle. First time visitors always hit too hard, because they're traveling at the speed limit, and the humps look gentle. Wonder what the city will do when someone loses control and hits a pedestrian while doing nothing wrong.

Ha like they'd notice anything on the other side of their phone.

Those vehicles usually have a big prick on the inside already.

I lived in a town that had a road with 2 full lanes of travel both ways a center turn lane and full parking lanes on both sides. Speed limit 25. It was actually difficult to drive that speed because you naturally just tended to go faster. That's not even considering the other drivers going 40 or 50 at times. That entire road needed some hefty rework to make it better. But that costs money and there's some old farts that are happy driving 25 in an actual 50 zone that would cry bloody murder if the speed limit was increased.

The problem with any automated cameras is making sure they are valid. Speeding cameras might be simpler, but we've all heard about many places where traffic light cameras are run by a third party and are time fudged to increase tickets. That being the case, any law is only as good as the enforcement of it, and that's why we have so many speeders, aggressive, and just bad driving. If everyone knows that their speed is being monitored and going X over the limit may result in a fine, they will slow down. Far better than relying on a few cops in random spots to nap a few here and there. Speed traps should go away and those officers should be on the road looking for things the camera can't catch, or maybe even helping the occasional car that has hazards on the side of the road (I've seen patrol cars go by those, one only hopes they called it in to someone else).

So yes, there is a danger in trying to automate everything, and definitely if someone will profit for more fines. But there are SO many cars on the road, most just keeping pace with the rest, and the only way to slow the whole crowd down is with some psychology. Ever notice how everyone goes around the speed limit when a cop car is in the group? So just post a sign that speeds are being monitored. Hell, don't even have to put a camera up, just see what a sign alone does.

Also, I like the other suggestion on putting surrounding perceptions to make the speed more apparent to the driver. Won't slow everyone, but it just has to affect the crowd mentality and then the real speeders stand out more.

While that sounds like a wonderful idea in terms of getting people to the speed you want them, it also sounds way more expensive than anyone would think is ever worth it.

Isn't this what china does? Or something like this?

That's a cool idea

Please no, i drive a smart car not a tank with wheels. Even under speed those are jarring i fuckin hate the roads that are lined with them.

The solution you're looking for are called potholes.

Yes, but they're much more intensive to install and maintain, and they also don't work well against things like trucks with wide wheel bases and high undercarriages.

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