cross-posted from: https://lemmy.nz/post/24112791

Trump is driving European governments to Microsoft alternatives: What Germany, France, Denmark, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Austria are planning.

With Ukraine's cold position, rapprochement with Russia, and its tariff policy, US President Donald Trump has startled the Europeans – and fueled the discussion about digital sovereignty. The risks of dependence on American tech companies have suddenly moved up on the political agenda, not only in Berlin, but also in other European capitals.

The discussion has many facets, because US companies such as Microsoft, AWS, Google, Oracle, Broadcom and OpenAI dominate in numerous areas of IT, from hardware to cloud services to operating systems and (AI) applications. In some segments, however, Chinese suppliers such as Lenovo and Huawei also have a strong position, just like the Europeans themselves, for example with ASML or SAP.

An IT world without dependencies on third parties would not be conducive to productivity and prosperity and anyway unrealistic, after all, there is hardly any know-how for the increasingly complex products in hardly any company. But the dependence on Microsoft's software and cloud services is particularly concerned about many European politicians. If the company is forced to shut down cloud services like 365 due to orders from the US government, the impact would be drastic: ministries and agencies with 365 subscriptions could not even chat or email from now on.

If Microsoft no longer provide security updates, sooner or later all users of Windows and the "On-Premise" (i.e. on customer hardware instead of the cloud) ongoing variants of Office and Exchange got into trouble. Microsoft's plan to offer Offices only in the cloud in the future puts additional pressure on Europeans. And the switch to other providers is complicated, among other things, by the fact that management applications such as e-file programs are interwoven with Microsoft Office.

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[–] 2 points 1 year ago

Far from what Trump is doing to the US, Microsoft is increasingly releasing worse and worse products. As an American, I'm actively working to reduce my dependence on the garbage that is produced by American tech giants. I'm happy to see organizations with far more stature than me doing the same. Please leave Microsoft behind and use better FOSS and EU sources!

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    Two and a half years ago I asked in an internal forum if M$ could - in theorie - turn off their cloud services and would would happen then. A colleague said they could move the critical infrastructure to another solution within three days but nobody considered this an actual risk. Yesterday we decided to put a strategy in place to become independent from any geopolitical influence. Not only for our own systems but also for everything we do for our clients.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Even if the US weren't a shit show right now, this is still a good move. These top players have gotten very comfortable with their high user share. The only way to get them back to following the consumer needs/wants is to hurt them monetarily. Microsoft has experienced this before with IE and their assumed domination of everything computing in the early 2000s. People started switching away from their closed ecosystem and they, painfully, had to redesign things to meet needs. Windows 8 is the same thing. Ballmer's Microsoft lost alot of consumer sentiment by pushing things people didn't want.

    The difference now is that so many people are willing to take whatever poop is shoveled at them. It will take more of us who are intelligent and discerning to flip away and bring others with us. Nadella will be the next Ballmer if he's not careful. Google will lose out to another search engine, or engines, if the aren't careful.

    Open source is the way, but not without alot of support for "the lesser" among us. Fediverse and big social media alternatives as well. The Internet of today is nowhere near the magnificent beast it was in the 90s and very early 2000s. No intelligent person wants AI slop 24/7.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I wish my company would follow suit. But no. We somehow keep digging ourselves deeper into the toxic M$ cesspit. At this point, at least a quarter of the tickets we get is about one of their products shitting the bed (Outlook, Excel, Exchange, Windows itself—you name it) and us looking for workarounds to patch things up. Recent patch broke DHCP service on some servers. At this point, their updates and patches are less reliable and more dangerous than a random project on Github in alpha stage meant only for personal use.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Fucking right they drop the shithole that is microsoft! About damn time

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    This is the way.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Good to see - especially in government this is needed. In my team at work we are taking some mouse steps to reduce our Microsoft-dependence, but the enterprise at large is really deep into it all, and I learned today that there are some more systems being integrated soon, Purview and Defender being two of them. It will be really difficult getting out of this.

    I have challenged my boss on what our strategy is to manage the business risk that a total lock-in of a single American company presents, given the geopolitical tensions, but I have yet to recieve a reply. My guess is that if we suffer along with everyone else that chooses similarly, no one's head will roll because it is what everyone else is doing. Nevermind us going bankrupt, that's a small price to pay to avoid getting any blame. Like back in the day when you wouldn't get fired for choosing IBM.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I wish Canada did the same and ditched Teams/365.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Start developing open source projects, preferably in a coordinated European effort, then self host. Would also create more domestic jobs for people to help develop and host said systems.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Look at the top valued companies in USA. This will hurt.

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    [–] 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    We should start making laws and frameworks that prevent us from making bad decisions in the future. Using Microsoft and their products was always a bad decision and fixing that now is way more expensive than whatever the arguments were against Linux and FOSS software in the last two decades. It was just easy and convenient at the time.

    Being dependent on Russia for oil didn't turn out great either.

    But I just see people talking about how to change things for the better, never how to prevent silly things in the future. I'd rather be in a situation were we don't have to fix things.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Heh, I agree with everything you said, but I’m afraid such a framework is impossible to create, let alone implement. It’s impossible to foresee the infinite possibilities for people to screw themselves through bad decisions, so all you’d create is a lot of bureaucracy to still end up in the same place.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    That might be the case. But more often than not it's WAY too easy to see that a decision is bad to argue that we can't implement any measures against that.

    In this case we "just" need laws that prohibit that any infrastructure can be dependent on few foreign entities and had to be completely independent if reasonably possible. Diversification or elimination of dependencies as a law.

    You can't rely on foreign proprietary software like Teams for public facilities and infrastructure if there are reasonable alternatives.

    You can't rely only on Russian oil if other countries are available for trade.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Exactly. I think you complicate it all. Governments need to just setup their own data centers or host it somewhere within their own country. And ideally use open source solutions if possible and most importantly they should not only use it, but also donate to these projects they use.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Such a framework for a government to properly adopt FOS software would require provisions against a "bad government" controlling said software.
    Just because the US is plummeting into a political nightmare doesn't mean the EU couldn't do the same I. 20-40 years.

    Such a framework of governments moving from Microsoft/Google/Amazon/Cloudflare/Whoever to a FOSS equivalent should require the target Foss platform to be run by an independent non-profit that cannot be politically influenced.

    But I have no idea how to actually future proof that from corruption. Because money talks, and billions can buy so much influence in so many unexpected places

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Any information generated or collected by government should only be stored in open file formats. That is the biggest issue right there.

    Any software that citizens are required to use MUST be Open Source is the next biggest one.

    Third is that any software created with public funds must be Open Source.

    Finally, Open Source should be the preference in all government procurement. Exceptions where viable Open Source options do not exist should be allowed.

    All government data needs to be stored in-country if possible and at least on continent if not. Suppliers bound in their home country by laws which could threaten the data sovereignty of their customers should be excluded from government contracts (so all US based companies).

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