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[–] 89 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Say it with me: Tariffs. Are. Taxes.

He's raising your taxes.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Worse, it's taxes on poor people. Rich people don't buy anything with their money, so they're spared, but poor people are spending the money on things, and things are imported.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    Rich people buy things, but not at the rate that lower income people do. A CEO who makes 1000x as much as you isn't buying 1000x as many pairs of pants, for instance. This is why sales taxes are considered regressive.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago

    Buncha fucking idiots.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    Oh, and domestic industrial infrastructure spending is way, way down, because nobody knows when Trump's going to throw the next grenade into the economy, so nobody is committing to investments.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't get it... why don't they just make steel from scratch? Lazy manufacturers importing Chinese materials....

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    ON DAY ONE!!!!!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER

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  • [–] 126 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Western European here, I'm just happy Americans living here are finally getting off their high horse and realize maybe the USA isn't the best at everything.

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    We've never been the best, and some weird race to prove who is the best is a waste of time. I hate it here.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Exactly! There's no need for competition, but they (blanket statement) always made it about "oh it's like that here, but in the USA...".

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean, speaking of your home experiences as a point of comparison isn’t inherently bad.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's right, it can even be interesting to make comparisons and hear people's viewpoints. Unfortunately it was very often from an attitude of not knowing why we wouldn't do it like the USA does it, cuz that works so well. Those conversations get tiring after a while.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    As a European/American, I know how fucked things are, that's why I'm here now, not there, and never moving back. Those Americans drank the cool aid.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    Don't worry, we are also the best at blaming anyone else for our problem. This will be quickly forgotten and/or blamed on liberals, Chinese communists or the phase of the moon.

    Logic didn't get us into this situation and it sure as hell isn't getting us out!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    If it was, why would they live in western Europe? My country has its flaws, but out of all the places I've visited or even lived, it's the place I think is doing stuff the best. If it wasn't, I would move elsewhere. No way I would move away from what I percieve as the best country in the world. That's just dumb.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Don't get the started on the mental gymnastics of those Americans. They bitch and whine about how people don't treat them the same as the locals, even though after 5 years they speak know only the absolute basics of the local language.

    I don't know how they justify it, but they seem to think being American puts them above other cultures by default.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Do you somehow not realize moving countries is difficult and expensive?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I do, so why would someone move from the supposedly "greatest country on earth", to somewhere else if it's so difficult and expensive?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    They wouldn't. I was commenting on the fact that you said you'd move if you didn't like your country best

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I would. Granted, I am fairly privileged and live better than a lot of people, so that is mainly a comment for myself.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I am assuming you are Danish from your instance. In any case, don't you realize that the only reason you could just move countries is that you already won the jackpot? Yes, you are quite privileged. Many Americans would love to live in Denmark. I know I would. It's far from an easy option and pretty much means I'd not see my family except maybe once every year or two

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    From my previous comment, "I am fairly privileged and live better than a lot of people"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I've personally not seen a single conservative recognize or admit that their policies hurt themselves. At most, ONE of them said things might get a little tougher for a while, but we'll be better off in the end. I'm surrounded by these idiots. They're hopelessly lost.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    ...have the day you, wink, voted for...

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  • [+] 14 points 1 year ago (24 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Ideally, you'd boycott Chinese products too.

    I mean, I'm fully aware that "everything is made in China", but - to me - there's a difference in supporting a [somewhere]-based company that pays taxes [somewhere] and purchases components/manufactures in China (sending part of my money there), and buying full-on Chinese, and having 100% of my money support a genocidal government.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Your point is valid, but non-genocidal governments are getting harder to find any more.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    China has authoritarianism and repression but not full on mass genocide like America and the EU.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can you show evidence of mass genocide on Uygurs?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    Yes that is repression and authoritarianism. Not everything is genocide. Unless you use the CIA created organization Radio Free Asia as source.

    What the West is doing in Gaza has every major human rights organization qualifying it as genocide.

    This is what a Wikipedia page of genocide looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

    This is not to say Chinese repression and authoritarianism is great, but it is "better" than literal mass extermination.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Persecution. Not mass extermination. This is what a Wikipedia page about genocide looks like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Alright so we'll just go ahead and mark you down for "indifferent to Uyghur persecution".

    Also, the treatment of Uyghurs meets the definition for genocide. Please read the article.

    Those accusing China of genocide point to intentional acts they say violate Article II of the Genocide Convention,[22][23][24] which prohibits "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part," a "racial or religious group" including "causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group" and "measures intended to prevent births within the group".[

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Those who? Which respected human rights organization calls it a genocide? [22][23][24]?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    My bad. I wasn't aware that real genocides are decided by "respected human rights organizations", otherwise it's just a sparkling extermination program. Are you fucking serious right now?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Stop trying to devalue to meaning of the word genocide. If an opponent of the West was committing genocide these organisations would be the very first to use the term.

    Genocide is a crime on Holocaust level specifically focused on exterminating a group.

    Not every war crime or authoritarian oppression suddenly becomes genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    So, hypothetically, by your understanding of the word genocide... If I relocated a group of people based on ethnic or cultural identity, forced abortions, sterilized the populace, separated families and in some cases just straight up murdered them...that wouldn't constitute a genocide in your mind?

    Clearly, you care more about the "value of the definition of genocide" more than you care about people who are actually victims of it by definition.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    No genocides recently, just massacring millions of their own civilians for having a different belief.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Do you have any credible sources for this?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_China

    You can dig into the sources for each event. For my above comment I didnt dig into the sources.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    I am sure China has committed genocides in the past but I am also not putting Japan on the genocide list because the rape of Nanking. The only event people keep bringing up regarding China is the Tiannenmen Square riots where less than a thousand people were killed. And even accepting all Western narratives that was certainly not a targeted extermination of a certain population but it would be political repression.

    We are talking about active genocides. People need to stop devalueing the word genocide.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I never said genocide I was just pointing out that they've done a bit more than just authoritarianism and repression. Tiannenmen square is a blip on the CCP massacres.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Germany and America are beating protesters harder than China currently and nobody accuses them of genocide for that.

    America is directly committing genocide in Gaza with their boots on the ground though. And Germany is heavily complicit.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ah yes, the American private military contractors on the ground distributing aid and Germans beating some protestors. Totally comparable to China killing 4 million of their own people.

    Also theres a news story on the front page of chinese police beating citizens bloody with batons and cattle prods for protesting justice for girl who got bullied.

    Is China responsible for supplying russia in their war?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The sellers on AliExpress have to pay duty now. Granted, they probably declare far less than true value, but the tariffs already made prices on AliExpress increase. You just don't notice it because it's rolled into the sale price or added to taxes and shipping.

    Most things I shop for on AE are around 20% higher than they were before the tariffs started and de minimis was removed. I suspect sellers were shipping from China to other countries and then to US so the tariffs wouldn't be so harsh. Now that we seem to be removing the de minimis exception from other countries, that work around could end - leading to additional price increases.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    They just turn around and complain more about how much we import as being the problem, not the fact that trump’s tariffs are costing them. Not that sweeping, knee-jerk tariffs with absolutely no plan to increase US industries to compensate for supply issues is the real problem.

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  • Particularly one small orange dick, imported directly into his mouth

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