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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

I personally think what they do for general audience is way too niche and it all starts to make sense when you massively decentralize and switch to crypto for everything regarding money. Now do we see a massive surge in big P2P decentralized systems for end-users? I don't see it. There are few alternatives for some chat apps here and there and that's it. So maybe it's just too early. Prime time of this tech is yet to come. If someone builds a huge P2P cryptopowered platform level of Steam or YouTube that's when you should expect to hear about all this stuff solving real problems.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Money got involved and fucked everything up.

    As usual.

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  • Its in the cloud

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I don’t know. But apparently “fintech” is still a thing - or at least there are ghost job descriptions for it.

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Blockchain is just a ledger. Most systems don't need a ledger, they need a database. It was a solution looking for a problem in most cases and the marketing/business types don't listen to the engineers if the engineers are even in the room.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    it does still hold value, but the value is super niche and generally shouldn’t be exposed to the user… it’s an implementation detail

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If I understood it correctly, the main problem it can solve is lack of trust. If the involved parties can't find a single authority to trust, they can use a blockchain instead.

    Finding cases like that is a bit tricky. For example, you trust your ISP, your bank, maybe even your government... to some extent.... They're not your best friend, nor do they have to be. You can still trust them enough to take care of certain jobs. You pay your ISP via bank transfer, and they provide the service you signed up for. As long as there's just enough trust, the system still works and there's no need to use a blockchain.

    Same goes for banks. Most people trust that the bank isn't going to run away with your money. As long as that trust exists, there's no need to use a blockchain.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    that’s absolutely the main thing yup… in almost every circumstance where people implement blockchain, a trusted entity is involved so there’s no point to the blockchain

    almost always there’s a single entity issuing a thing, and then that same entity also consuming that thing

    we are absolutely right now in the trough of disillusionment with blockchain (well, among people who actually understand anything at all - as usual let’s not count trump and his base as rational actors), and at some point there will be useful solutions remain

    (and side note too, we’re in the peak of inflated expectations with AI… i can not wait for that crash and to be left only with useful things)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    When it comes to AI, I'm seeing a variety of different hype levels. As far as consumer products are concerned, it's mostly just hype and vapor—a solution looking for a problem. However, on the B2B side, it can be a lot more grounded. Recently, I've been talking a a few AI companies, and they aren't promising completely absurd things. Most of them know exactly how hard it can be to implement AI and squeeze some benefit out of it. IBM guys were the only ones who were still hyping it hard. Everyone else seems to have their feet on the ground. Those IBM guys were all like: "Just dump all of your data on the model, and it will work things out". Yeah, sure.... With those references, we're not starting an expensive project just to see if it's true.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago

    Turned out that those in control of the tech could control the tech, so contrary to the hype nothing was free, decentralized and scalable. Never.

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  • [–] 85 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Vaporware turns out to be vapor. Shocking.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    AI became the new buzzword

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The money behind the hype went into "AI" instead

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    From what I've heard, the biggest problem is the inputs. You can write a 'smart' contract that says 'if I get a pizza, user9000005 pays user30000004 XXX bitcoins' but there's no direct sensor for 'user9000005 has a pizza.' Someone has to manually put it in. At that point, it's not automated. It's just a payment processor with way less certainty, so why bother?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah, there's this whole concept of "Oracles", which were supposed to be trustable sources for facts, but they can mainly deal well with things like stock prices or weather data.

    It would also have been possible for these Oracles to employ people to fact-check things in case of a dispute. So, user30000004 might claim that the pizza has been delivered and wants their money for it, while user9000005 says nothing got delivered, so then you have someone physically drive out to user9000005 and see if there's pizza there or not.

    But yeah, you still have the problem that a pizza isn't hard to hide/eat, so you'd need to do some expensive detective work to try to figure out the truth. And that just isn't worth the cost...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Why less certainty? It's more certain and less censorable than any other digital payment method.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's harder to doctor, but that's not really the big worry with a contract. Contract disputes are usually more along the lines of 'he didn't pay me' or 'she didn't deliver the goods.' It's much rarer for it to be an 'I signed a contract that said BLAH, but they forged a contract to say BLAGH and faked my signature on it.' As for censorship, I'm not sure what you mean. A government would find it difficult to obscure an on-chain contract but that's also not really an issue. I don't want to guess what you mean.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    You're thinking on a very narrow definition of a contract, here's a simple contract example that's currently being censored and wouldn't be censorable on Blockchain: Buy NSFW games.

    A simple contract could sell you NFTs for game keys that could be redeemed on Steam/Itch/GoG or even the own dev site. So there's no middleman who could oppose this transaction and say which sort of games can or can't be sold. This whole thing would be completely automated, secure for every part and non-censorable.

    You're hearing contracts and thinking on paper legal documents, whereas smart contracts usually refer to programs acting on tokens, the code that acts on those tokens is the contract, in the example above the generation and transfer of the tokens would be the contract.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Exhanges can still ban specific users.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    So? Just use another exchange, that's the same as saying paper money is bad because pawn shops might ban specific users.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Its the same problem; any regulation is likely to occur at an exchange level. Successful exchanges will eventually buy out the unsuccessful ones.

    They require enough capital to run that they are centralized rather than decentralized. They need to be trusted by users. Its very obvious they're the weak link here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's not though, in the current system everything must go through those shitty companies, so they can dictate anything, and if Steam disobeys they essentially block them from receiving money, and it's impossible to jump ships because creating a competition is essentially impossible, no one will be able to handle the Volume of Valve's transactions and it needs to be all done by one entity. Ñ

    In the system I'm describing once you're in the crypto space no one can dictate anything. The same people could try to act as gatekeepers, but it's almost impossible because anyone with Ethereum can sell them to you, so if an exchange threatens to not buy Ethereum from Valve they can simply go to any other exchange, hell, they themselves could sell Ethereum to users who would then use the Ethereum to buy games returning the Ethereum to Valve to be sold again, and if not anyone with enough capital can start an exchange selling Ethereum to users and buying it from Valve, even with small initial capital you would likely grow very quickly doing this. And the best part is that Valve can sell their Ethereum to different exchanges in any ratio they want to, so it's essentially impossible for one of them to dictate anything because 1 big exchange can be replaced by 10 smaller ones in a heartbeat without any disruption to the system.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    AI is the new crypto, crypto still here but its largely used by shady people and conservatives love to invest in a scam, because they play it like its stock, but its easier to understand and less convoluted than a stock, buys, puts,,whatever. the threat of CRYPTO has largely faded into background.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Not an expert, but IMO, it’s because it was misused. Cryptocurrency is just one application of blockchain technology, but people equated blockchain to crypto, and crypto was turned into an investment scheme instead of an actual currency. Then came NFTs, which people turned into rugpull scams. And news of the volatility of cryptocurrency and all those NFT scams drove away any chance of regular people adopting anything blockchain-related.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    misused

    Give me an example of a real world problem that was either unsolved before blockchain solved it, or blockchain solves it better than existing alternatives.

    I'll go ahead and save you "decentralized currency/finance between untrustworthy entities" (i.e. cryptocurrency) because it doesn't actually (and can't actually) solve that in the real world. Humans are too error-prone, and an immutable ledger presents too high a risk for business-ending mistakes for any business with any alternative options to adopt it for their primary revenue pathway.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    i’ll give it a crack

    in australia, we have various credentials provided by the government to attest to a persons fitness to work with children (i’ll just refer to these in bulk from now on as WWCC: working with children checks). there are many of these - one per state for individuals, plus teacher’s accreditations per state, and a few more. they’re ongoing certifications, so can be revoked if anything happens

    it’s a legal requirement for businesses who engage in activities involving kids to ensure anyone they employ - including volunteers - is appropriately vetted

    needless to say, this gets quite complex for national organisations!

    i was the engineering lead for a startup that organisations could add their workforce into the system, with the credentials, and the system checked periodically to check that everyone’s credentials are valid, about to expire, etc and notify people if something goes awry

    of course, that doesn’t need blockchain BUT

    in cases of child sexual abuse, things tend to only come out after 30+ years on average (according to the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse). organisations need to be able to prove that they were doing everything they possibly could to protect the kids under their care. 30 years on that’s no small task! our company might not even exist in 30 years!

    along with our automated checks, we also published an event to the eth blockchain: a hash of the card details as an index (ie if you know the card details, you can look up all instances of validation), and a hash that proves the check took place

    what’s that hash? well, i won’t get too into the weeds but essentially we push a payload to IPFS which contains:

    • a link to a kind of “template” of an HTTP archive for a typical request to the validation service
    • a diff that allows you to reconstruct the HTTP archive of this instance of the request given the original template
    • various pieces of the HTTPS handshake with the validation service that allow you to essentially validate after the fact that the content of the HTTP archive was exactly what the validation service sent at the time - HTTPS is essentially signed information after all, so we have a chunk of HTML attesting to the validity of a card that’s been signed by the government! cryptographic proof - not just “take my word for it”

    we also published a page on IPFS that allows people to enter card details and load all this information and produce all the technical details to prove what happened (we also had plans for some kind of hardware pack with pinned versions of things because browsers and technology change)

    you might be able to do this by relying on the date header that the server sends, but to be really sure, writing the hashes to the blockchain proves that the event given happened at a very specific time and date

    blockchain shouldn’t be big and flashy: it’s a very niche use-case, but for those niches there’s really nothing like it

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Give me an example of a real world problem that was either unsolved before blockchain solved it, or blockchain solves it better than existing alternatives.

    International online payment without a company telling you that your legal adult entertainment is morally wrong

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Did blockchain solve it? Is blockchain actually pragmatically solving that problem better than existing alternatives? Or is the cost of adopting a blockchain payment system as the primary payment system, with all the risks inherent in it, higher than the benefits when compared to alternatives?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Like I said, not an expert. Also, regardless if it’s a revolutionary solution to something or not, it doesn’t negate the point that it was made to be used for something, but it’s being indirectly used for something else instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'll give you a couple examples of use cases for Blockchain technology that no other technology solves.

    As currency:

    • Payment system without content restrictions. You might say "But MasterCard said they're not blocking it", but they could, they could pressure Valve into removing other games, or something similar. Such a thing is impossible in Blockchain, there's no single owner that can impose limits to what you can/can't buy with it.
    • International transactions without restrictions. We talked about how payment processors can stop transactions, banks and governments can do the same and while they use this power less often it's still generally a pain in the ass to move money from one country to another.

    As smart contracts:

    • International car ownership deeds. In most countries car ownership has to be registered into the DMV equivalent, this means that moving a car from one country to another is problematic. A smart contract ledger would be an excellent solution to this, countries could use the ledger to transfer ownership and that transfer would be understood by any country that already uses the same ledger as a source of truth, without any of the countries having to trust in the systems built by the other countries.
    • Something similar for phones could also include known stolen IMEI numbers that can be blocked internationally without any regulatory organization needing to trust one another or rely in a centralized controlling agency.
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    If we take that example to be true there are still issues with it. Just look at any of a dozen stories of people who had millions in crypto currency stolen from them. The police and feds will just sort of go "us not being able to do anything about it was the point."

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So whenever there's a new tech innovation, there are two instances of it.

    The first is the actual tech innovation, that often finds a specific use in a few industries, then just becomes part of how things are.

    The second is the venture capitalist innovation. It has nothing to do with the technical stuff (as long as the tech is complex enough to impress the average 5th grader). It's more a concept or an idea, and a lot of big promises of unending potential. And as soon as the potential is there, stock prices go up. And that's the only point.

    The second one blows up big, then deflates quietly when the next thing takes everyone's attention away. The actual tech innovation usually just finds its niche and quietly chugs away.

    Any time anybody talks about a "tech revolution" or some similar word vomit, they're presenting the second thing. Currently we're on "AI" (i.e. LLMs), which will become a niche novelty when the next big thing comes along (I give it a few more years).

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Currently we’re on “AI” (i.e. LLMs), which will become a niche novelty when the next big thing comes along (I give it a few more years).

    I think llms are overhyped. But at the same time, their two main uses are "better google" and porn, both of which I would hardly describe as "niche".

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  • Also, NFTs. Wasn't there a supposed use case for contract authenticity or something?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Oh that? It was bullshit just like AI.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Out of those I only know blockchain being used in spain as a way to ensure legality of accounting books, and that business are not commiting fraud by deleting invoices. Not in a public ledger or anything, just a hashed chain that they need to send to irs equivalent.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Nothing because it was all bullshit because the underlying technology is just fundamentally flawed.

    This isn't news, lots of people always saw this when Bitcoin came out, but tech bro's kept pushing it right until AI came out, then the completely forgot it ever existed

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    The vast majority of it was driven by speculation and outright scams. The few who were genuinely trying to make a currency couldn't make something competitve with existing systems, as they all ended up with the same problems and then some. Usually, blockchain based systems are very slow, expensive, centralized (in who has control over it), hard to regulate, and insecure. The only real advantage they have, is being harder to modify records for, meaning they're less private and more traceable, if that can even be considered a plus for currency.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It's in the same place as those NFTs that sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (6 children)
    1. It's actively transforming global agriculture. While the USA failed to innovate Canada has integrated blockchain into it's agricultural sector to facilitate unparalleled traceability.

    2. Blockchain transactions are painfully slow compared to other payment processers. BTC is only 7 transactions a second. VISA handles 65,000 transactions per second. That's one of the major reasons we're not seeing more widespread adoption.

    3. Crypto currency isn't backed by a nation's GDP; which is effectively the mechanism that gives money value. However USA just passed laws recategorizing crypto issuers as financial institutions; that must comply with regulations such as having a % of their liabilities(crypto) as collateral (Cash). So we shall see where things go.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's actively transforming global agriculture. While the USA failed to innovate Canada has integrated blockchain into it's agricultural sector to facilitate unparalleled traceability.

    This example is a nice summary of the issue with block chain. Sure it can be done with block chain.

    However, is it really doing it better than SAP or whatever large corporate program used to do it? Is there an ecosystem of thousands of specialised consultant that will tailor a solution for your need? Most managers tends to be conservative with tech, they want a brand they know (Microsoft, SAP) wich can provide a support contract and be sued, and with sales-person wearing a tie. The cryptobros and theirs block chain based startup do not match.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Crypto currency isn’t backed by a nation’s GDP

    Stablecoins? USDT is the most traded crypto globally since 2019.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Well the value of the USD is based on the bond market which is essentially based on USA's GDP.

    I'm not saying stable coins don't exist. I'm explaining the fundamental valuation difference between crypto and national currencies.

    Also traded /= transacted. In the context of OPs question, the existence of stable coins has not pushed the needle on crypto from a trading asset to liquid transactable colloquial currency.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Expensive and useless. Decentralization was an illusion and they don't solve any real problems

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Tell that to itch.io and Steam - the latest victims of centralized payments systems.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    To my knowlege, unless we completely abandon traditional currency, we still have the same problem. You still need 3rd party payment processors and/or currency exchanges, which have the ability to act as gatekeepers - esspecially since the libertarian markets promoted by crypto tend to end up monopolised eventually.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    which have the ability to act as gatekeepers

    How do you imagine any crypto-exchange acting as a gatekeeper? You can send your crypto from exchange to whatever address and pay for anything from there. To my knowledge, there are no exchanges that ask you to provide any details about addresses you're sending your crypto to.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Well, for converting from Crypto to government run currencies, you need some information, be it a mailing address, or a bank account. Ignoring that, I know some systems exist for blocking or limitting transactions between specific wallets (currently mostly used to block known scammers), although I'm not sure of the specifics of that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children)

    But how do you use KYC to gatekeep anything regarding crypto? For example, how the thing which happened to Steam and Itch could happen in crypto world?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    An exchange, intermediary, or market manager gets large, then blacklists the wallets or bank accounts of the company? Basically the same thing that happened with traditional currency. To my knowledge, theres nothing preventing that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    What stops the company to maintain a team of people whose work is to register new wallets and accounts on exchanges all day every day? How exchange going to figure out that a certain person's account is linked to the company? Even if they will hire detectives, what will they do if there is a whole team with rotating people? Also, exchanges don't ask you to pay taxes or declare where you got money from, that happens after you take money from them to your fiat bank accounts. Also, you can go to another exchange. There are countless exchanges, more than 2, and new ones can open every day (a big difference compared to payment processors, where just 2 basically monopolized the market).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Also, exchanges don't ask you to pay taxes or What stops the company to maintain a team of people whose work is to register new wallets and accounts on exchanges all day every day? How exchange going to figure out that a certain person's account is linked to the company? Even if they will hire detectives, what will they do if there is a whole team with rotating people? Also, exchanges don't ask you to pay taxes or declare where you got money from, that happens after you take money from them to your fiat bank accounts.

    So basically, set up a whole new, extra inaccessible payment system (that definately won't be intercepted by middle men) to be able to make transactions. And then how do you convert back to the dollar? You're in the same position.

    There are countless exchanges, more than 2, and new ones can open every day (a big difference compared to payment processors, where just 2 basically monopolized the market).

    There are countless payment processors and digital wallets, and new ones open regularly. You just don't hear about them (esspecially in North America) because unregulated capitalism has allowed Visa, Mastercard and PayPal to monopolize the market. What stops that from happening again?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    And then how do you convert back to the dollar?

    Maybe they can withdraw it to their bank accounts and pay taxes as IT enterpreneurs. Exchanges don't have access to tax records and have no ways of finding out if they are linked to certain companies. Those people can probably declare it fully open in the taxes that they work on Steam's behalf for example, how exchange gonna find that out?

    There are countless payment processors and digital wallets, and new ones open regularly. You just don’t hear about them (esspecially in North America) because unregulated capitalism has allowed Visa, Mastercard and PayPal to monopolize the market.

    So the only problem is that we don't hear about them? But we can use them? If that is the case, why don't Steam and Itch abandon Visa and Mastercard and switch to something else entirely? In crypto, switching to another exchange is as easy as sending your crypto to an address. There are fixed withdraw fees. So you can send for example $100 billion worth of crypto for a fixed small fee (numbers for popular exchanges: $0.17-10 for BTC, $0.4-6 for ETH), no questions asked where you send and why.

    What stops that from happening again?

    The endgame of all this is that you don't need to convert crypto to fiat at all. But it's nowhere close so far.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    If Steam still accepted Bitcoin they could use that, unfortunately Bitcoin has been crippled and has been unusable as a currency for years (which is why Steam removed it from the store). No one but Steam and the end user could censor what gets bought, so it's a problem that it's literally impossible to happen with cryptocurrency as money, that is exactly the problem they solve, except people usually don't care about this problem so they think it doesn't solve anything.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Idk, they’re currently in use at financial companies and adoption is increasing. There’s still a lot of regulatory uncertainty though.

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    It's being used for what it's very good at. That means very little applications (although there are some), on a different scale, and certainly nothing that can promise a quick buck for free. Basically, empty promises just farted out.

    Most of the real world usage were bogus, either because they did not actually work as advertised, or because they had lots of negative properties for businesses (imagine a system that would try to prevent fraud if done well… nobody wants that). There's also the issue that a lot of "funky, interesting stuff", once you filtered out the bad and the ugly, were just… less efficient, less useful versions of what we already used to do.

    There are still people clinging to it (and the recent fuckery in the US might revive that… although for all the bad reasons), but the press moved forward to the next thing.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It's still out there and going amazing!!! Despite the lack of mainstream media coverage, blockchain and smart contacts couldn't be doing better.

    On an unrelated topic, does anyone want to buy some NFTs? I can give you a really good deal. No take-backs, though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It doesn't have the backing of a powerful government unlike fiat does, so its effectively worthless in the eyes of the average person.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    AI has taken the spotlight, but this is a good thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    They were desperately waiting for you to figure those enough promises and now that AI has dominated the narrative, they've either skunk off to try and get in on that, or finally just cut their losses and tried to rebuild their ruined lives.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Things are still happening, it's just slow to adopt.

    E.g.

    https://www.ledgerinsights.com/nasdaqs-calypso-now-supports-blockchain-based-collateral-workflows/

    https://investor.visa.com/news/news-details/2024/Visa-Introduces-the-Visa-Tokenized-Asset-Platform/default.aspx

    There's a lot of work being done around tokenizing stocks. The 3 day settlement period would become instant for example. But that's no small feat to implement. That could be a decades long endeavor between all exchanges for example.

    Also until recently, the SEC was hostile towards it all in the USA, with some pivotal multi year long court cases only being resolved in the past year or so where the SEC lost. (E.g is Ethereum a security or not? Well, now it is not. Now we also have the ETFs)

    Ethereum only recently had some pretty big upgrades as well, which are going to be key to unlocking growth potential as well. A couple months ago they had a peak of 800 transactions per second, and the road map of these upgrades going to >100k (note these are including the level 2 networks that use the L1 ethereum for their security, like Arbitrum. Level 1 is somewhere between 15-20 right now. As L1 grows, L2s also grow)

    I don't know when the killer app that brings everyone into daily use will happen, but more and more behind the scenes things will slowly adopt it and you won't even realize it. Like maybe when you do a bank to bank transfer, it'll be that Visa VTAP thing I linked above, and it won't take 1 to 3 business days.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    As always EU silently doing it right with EBSI, that aims to benefit the public sector (and ultimately the public), and hopefully the digital Euro to come.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Unfortunately distributed ledger software never seemed to get used for what it should given the crypto craze.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    And what exactly should it have been used for?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    really anything with a centralized database, especially multiple databases. The name itself. Distributed ledger. Says what it does. shipping in regards to supply chain management where all parties can trace without everyone have to have it all on their own databases and thing like customers can know details without having to access the companies databases. same with verification of information like health records or content. Its like having a record of authenticity

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    But how much of that really demands a Blockchain solution in favor of what's used currently? Aside from some developers' time, nothing about crypto prevented what you described from happening and (presumably) it never did come to be.

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    crypto is a usage of the distributed ledger. not the distributed ledger itself. Its only been popular in implementations like bitcoin which are programicly scammed. Its programmed to increase in value (ie use more energy) and creates the value by burning energy for no useful return (no infrastructure created, nothing manufactured). You could say it provides a service in exchange but its far inferior to what it theoretically replaces since it uses way more energy in transaction (at least the driving popular ones still do) and this is why its not used for purchasing by and large and more like a value store. A proper implementation like gridcoin is not used because its value reflects the energy it uses. In other words its backed by the value of the service it provides. Whats funny is it can use low energy but just isn't in bitcoin. You ask what demands its usage but what does that mean. I pointed out the benefits. No longer needing to keep up multiple databases or clear them out since we are talking point to point. So I buy something at the store and I can scan a QR code to know everything about the product which everyone along the chain added as it transacted and even ones early in the chain can see the eventual endpoint as well as me, the consumer, able to see its sourcing and such. We can all see the full ledger at the time of looking it up because its distributed. Once done there is no real need to clean out a database. Don't get me wrong they would still exist to keep track for the businesses with tons and tons of supply chain items. They just would not need to keep any detail outside of the unique identifier which can be used to get the information from the blockchain.

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    Hold up, I'm not trying to talk about crypto, certainly not in a wall of text. You said the distributed ledger has its uses outside of crypto and gave some examples. If those examples were truly clamoring for some kind of distributed ledger solution, why haven't they implemented it by now? I can't imagine crypto distracted that much to make it impossible, there must be another reason.

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    The old wall of text so im going to dismiss all you said. Im not saying crypto distracted im saying it is unfortunately the thing that got taken up. Like the use of fossil fuels in our society. The answer is things aren't always done in the best way. Its like saying if algorithms are so bad why don't people stop using them. There are many bad things that we do that we don't stop doing and many good things we don't bother to do espcially when looking at things with larger and larger groups up to the scale of humanity.

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