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[–] 50 points 1 year ago (1 child)

on one hand, if you've been following news about Substack at all, this is not particularly surprising:

November 2023: Substack has a Nazi problem

January 2024: Substack faces user revolt over anti-censorship stance on neo-Nazis

but on the other hand...this is the kind of thing that will be surprising to a lot of people who aren't savvy media consumers. if they thought about Substack at all they probably thought of it as just "that website with all the newsletters".

many of those people had the Substack app installed on their phones.

they got a push notification. the icon of the push notification was a swastika.

imagine looking at the list of notifications on your phone and just...seeing a whole-ass swastika.

I would compare this to the time Elon Musk called that cave diver in Thailand a "pedo guy". he was a shitbag before that, he was a shitbag after that, but that was still a watershed moment when a lot of people had the sudden realization of "oh, huh, this guy's a shitbag".

Substack has been a Nazi bar for a few years now. they started allowing customers of the bar to hang up flags on the front patio. today was the day they hung up a Nazi flag.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why don’t payment processors go after stuff like this🤔

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago*

    Because there are no rich connected socialite interest groups that frequent same country clubs as the payment processor C suites who care about nazi’s, in fact, the same people pushing fash politics at sub stack probably go to the same country club.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    I have an addon called uBlacklist, it blocks substack from showing up in search results. And I have it blocked in uBlock Origin as well. Anyone on the Fediverse promoting it also gets blocked. It's nice to erase nazis from your feed and their enablers.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago
    [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    My knee-jerk reaction to that kind of headline is always to start mentally typing out a response warning of inflationary use of the term "Nazi", but... er yeah, I guess that's a Nazi blog alright.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    My knee-jerk reaction to that kind of headline is always to start mentally typing out a response warning of inflationary use of the term "Nazi", but...

    Since there's a lot of nazis around lately, I'm glad you're learning to control this reaction

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Have you not been paying attention?

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    [–] 97 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "I'm not a Nazi, but twenty bucks is twenty bucks."

    --Substack, probably

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Substack just annoying as can be anyway, with the constant spammy pop-ups about subscribed to my newsletter and whatever the hell else. Absolutely atrocious blogging platform

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  • [+] -50 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Can't criticize unless an alternative is provided tho, can you?

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You absolutely can and should regardless.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago

    I almost fully agree Idk about 'should' just out of paranoia that I can imagine a case where criticizing without sufficient contrast or a consistent-enough background of otherness, could potentially have unintended consequences or surprisingly negative overall moral impacts Or maybe just paranoid idek

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    Lol, I can absolutely call a website (or argument) awful or absolutely moronic without providing an alternative. Especially when we're talking about Nazi supporters (which substack objectively is and has been for years).

    As a wise man once said, I don't need to be a pilot to know a helicopter doesn't belong in a tree.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There is a deep irony covering this by writing about it.. on Substack

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    As a German it's completely mind boggling to me that some societies tolerate an ideology that is responsible for plunging the world into its biggest humane catastrophe (so far), for the sake of free speech. Nazi ideology wants to kill free speech. If you truly want to protect free speech, you have to at least limit it to all the things that do not threaten it.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Note that the largest Nazi groups today are in the "allied" nations that "won" WW2.

    I read a piece (can't find the source now, sorry) that blamed this squarely on the lack of education and remorse given to the colonial backdrop in which WW2 was fought.

    Most parts of the world view WW2 as very much a European war that was imposed on unwilling global participants. The axis powers lost and Germany has since tried its best to reinvent itself while acknowledging its chequered past (check out: Vergangenheitsbewältigung), but the allied powers failed to recognise their colonial atrocities. For example, British history textbooks will loosely allude to the British empire saying that they were once a dominating global entity, but will make absolutely no mention of the numerous massacres and genocides for which they were responsible.

    When wars are framed as competitions rather than tragedies, you will see the emergence of false victors instead of acknowledging lost generations. This directly results in a poor public understanding of how bad ideas can fester and hollow out any society.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    Over the decades since WW2, the popular culture of the allied countries has typically portrayed Nazis as caricatured crazy monsters. They are treated as strange, other, and non-human. This seems to have thoroughly undermined people's ability to recognize Nazism as a destructive force that lurks in people, whether they're German or American or any other nationality. Any society has the potential to fall into this. The unreflective complacency of the WW2 victors after defeating Nazis once has led to a complete lack of awareness that it's an ongoing job to keep your society from falling prey to fascists.

    For a while the collective memory of those who lived through the war protected us, but when that generation died off the lessons were forgotten. Some fell into fascism without realizing it because they assumed they were by nature better than Nazis, while others failed to notice the threat until dangerously late.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's amazing what you can accomplish when you successfully gut public education.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    what on earth are you talking about?? holocaust instruction is not "gutted," it increases year over year. the people you imagine are doing this gutting of public education are consistently some of the most vicious advocates for increasing holocaust instruction.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'm talking just WW2 history in general, but OK.

    I can just speak to US public schools, but ALL education has suffered from the gutting of our public education here, and that includes "holocaust instruction."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Looking at how many countries have started to have and even elect literal nazi parties, the education has been failing very widely and for a very long time (since WW2).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    if we are being completely honest with ourselves, most people believe in free speech only in moderation. nazism is most certainly not the only ideology that sharply reduces free speech.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago

    Free speech means free speech. Otherwise you end up in a UK situation, where you can illegally enter without ID, but if you want to complain about someone illegally entering without ID you have to provide your ID to twitter

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  • [–] 124 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I cringe everytime someone's like "subscribe to my Substack". No, fuck off with your substack, everyone knows they're nazi supporters, you're complicit.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wtf even is substack anyways?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Kinda like Medium or WordPress (the .com variant). Gives you your own subdomain and lets you blog. Their policy is that they absolutely will not editorialise anything. It's used by a lot of reputable good bloggers too

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago

    Unfortunately popular newsletter service that also puts your issues online to look like a blog. Has a lot of startup capital behind it so they've been paying some of their largest writers on top of subscriber revenue.

    Big "marketplace of ideas" idiots who have allowed a lot of white supremacist and - as this and other situations exemplify - straight up Nazi content.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I see a pattern here...

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I deleted substack back when I randomly got porn in a push notification. You'd think they would address this - I'm no expert, but this doesn't seem good for them.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    My only cursory knowledge about substack is that if someone has one they're insufferable. Have yet to be wrong.

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Hey look at that... actual bad socialists. (As if they're actual socialists)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It's a shame there are some people I like on there. I can live perfectly fine without ettingermentum though.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    if i had a nickel for every time substack promoted a nazi blog.......

    ... i'd have a shitload of nickels.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is there a substack self-hosted replacement

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Yeah I heard they give voice to nazis. Sucks because I kninda liked Sunstack and was going use it. But after this fuck no. Need to delete my post there and unfortunately have to unfollow some good Substack people.

    Huh fucked up that this article is also from Substack any other media outlets promoting this?

    Edit 2: It's done deleted my account on there fuck nazis and nazi platforms. Luckily I had copy over my article on my computer. Anyone know a good place to post such things?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Archive link: https://archive.is/lQzS5

    It's even worse, they're explicitly defending hosting Nazi blogs.

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