Donald Trump will participate in the first-ever trilateral meeting between the leaders of the U.S., China and Russia on the sidelines at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Summit in China next week, senior U.S. officials told reporters Friday evening.

Trump is expected to discuss Iran with Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin, the officials said, but he does not intend to discuss Russia's war with Ukraine during the trilateral meeting.

Denuclearization will be the focus of the long-awaited trilateral meeting, though officials do not anticipate the leaders reaching any concrete agreement and are characterizing this meeting as an initial conversation broaching the subject.

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[–] 35 points 1 day ago* (14 children)

Donald Trump is a total loser, USA is now dancing to the tune of China. Trump behaves like China already is the #1 global power.
Trump has no honor or integrity, which is probably why he can't see how this is a bad look for USA.

USA has become the laughing stock of the world, failing in every way possible. Failing against Russia, failing the Iran war, failing with tariffs, failing with their economy, losing allies and losing their global political power.

If the goal of Trump is to destroy USA, he couldn't be doing a better job.

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  • [–] 18 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    Trump's goal is whatever benefits Trump at the time in his opinion. That's it. The path of destruction he leaves is just his niche of specialty.

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  • [–] 2 points 18 hours ago

    True, but I could also have stated it as Trump voters, if their goal is to destroy USA, they couldn't have done a better job than to give Trump Presidential power, and GOP a majority in both houses, so he can perform the destruction unhindered.
    Ultimately the blame lies with the voters. With everybody that didn't vote accepting this outcome, and thereby being complicit.

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  • [–] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 child)

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but China is the number one superpower.

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  • [–] 1 point 17 hours ago

    Yes you are right at least partly as a minimum. Without allies USA is the underdog in many ways now. It was very clearly demonstrated by China when Trump tried to engage in a trade war with China, that China is already the stronger more resilient economic power, in part because they control more natural resources than USA does. And with the Iran war Trump has manged to demonstrate the serious limitations of the American military.

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  • [–] -2 points 21 hours ago (9 children)

    Huuumm yeah! And this is… bad?

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  • [–] -1 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

    Yes it is, because neither USA or Europe are big or strong enough to counter China, so instead of a balance of power, it is very likely that China will take over the dominant position of USA. To balance China we need USA to be an ally of the free world.

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  • [–] 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 child)

    Why is China becoming the economic center of the world bad? That’s the baseline for humanity. China has always been the moat powerful country in the world, except for like 200 years.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 hours ago

    Being the economic center of the world is not bad in itself, at least not in my opinion. China getting out of being a poor country is actually good, improving life conditions for 1.3 billion people as absolutely stellar.
    But unfortunately we have seen China becoming more aggressive as they have become more powerful. It was not healthy that USA was unchecked for many years, and it will not be healthy if China becomes unchecked either. There needs to be balance.

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  • [–] 1 point 18 hours ago (5 children)

    A) China is the free world.

    B) You are assuming China wants to rule the world, instead of essentially ensuring Chinese stability during the transition into socialism during the current 15 year plan.

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  • [–] 1 point 17 hours ago (4 children)

    Oh please, we've seen China exert all kinds of political pressure on neighboring countries, and even EU countries. To control aspects that are none of their business. Like what books about China should be allowed in European libraries.
    If you think China is better than USA, you are deluding yourself.

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  • [–] 4 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    China hasn’t been in a war, ever. Like the modern Chinese state. They have never invaded a country. That by itself is better than the US…

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago*

    They are technically currently at war with India. Over Indian territory they bought illegally from UK when India was a UK colony.

    Apart from that they have also been aiding in wars like Vietnam and Korea.
    Granted China may not be as much a warmonger as USA, but that is in part because USA was the global leader by far for ½ a century. China was not in a similar position to wage war. Hopefully they will be more peaceful than USA.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    He seems to really like spending time with those two.

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  • [–] 23 points 23 hours ago* (8 children)

    He likes to think of himself as equal to them, after decades of looking up to them.

    But he is no dictator and apparently still subject to votes. Real and impostor dictators know that alike, and thus he will be subjected to the other two.

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  • [–] 7 points 18 hours ago* (6 children)

    I'm genuinely curious if people think Xi is in the same ballpark of corruption and garbage as Putin and Trump. Like, do average western people think that Xi would even qualify for the Piece of Shit Olympics? Trump and Putin are actively engaging in illegal wars of aggression while the infrastructure and quality of life of the countries they rule crumble. I just feel like their taking home Gold and Silver medals and Xi is barely getting past the qualifications.

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  • [–] 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

    His imperial and antidemocratic features manifest a bit differently, and he has no need for that open corruption, because he is indistinguishable from the party and therefore from the state. Fine. He also has much more grounded ideological background than Trump, as the other commenter pointed out. But then, Putin has that one too. As did Mussolini. This does not make anyone a good human.

    After all that he's still an imperial and antidemocratic autocrat. I'm not very picky with my words. Sorry if the term dictator offended you.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    Not being as evil as Putin or Trump is the lowest bar imaginable. China does not need to work hard to be the lesser evil, and yet they still prolong civil wars for selfish gain, even when the consequences affect their own citizens. They still let their companies do whatever they want so long as it helps the state. They still violate the sovereignty of most of their neighbors, just as they've historically done for thousands years. They might not be as interested in expansionary ethnic cleansing in quite the same way as America or Russia, but that's simply because they prefer influence over occupation. They aren't better out of benevolence, but because they have a different imperial strategy.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 hours ago

    yet they still prolong civil wars for selfish gain

    Would be interested in what specific conflicts you're referring to. I am definitely critical of China for engaging in trade with essentially zero care for the conditions of the state they are trading with. Israel being the obvious criticism. Are those types of trade relations with countries what you're referring to? I agree if that's what you mean.

    They still let their companies do whatever

    This is in conflict to the normal complaints of China "disappearing" people. So, are you saying they don't do that? Because the famous cases of this are from businessmen that start speaking against the party, or doing actual social crimes.

    I have criticism of China's free speech restrictions on individual citizens. But to say that China "let's companies do whatever they want" is in complete contradiction to the countless "violations of freedom" that the Western media speaks about. Because those are entirely made up of the capitalist of China stepping out of line with the party; or engaging in social murder like crimes.

    They aren't better out of benevolence, but because they have a different imperial strategy.

    I hear the language of the left here being used in a non material way. If you're someone that has the word "imperial strategy" in your vocabulary it shocks me to hear someone describe a system based on idealism as the core. "The purpose of a system is what it does." Its odd to conclude with a point of criticism that is rooted in idealism. It is rooted in the western idea that China is just "waiting for its moment of attack" with no material reason to conclude that.

    If China wanted to start being aggressive and start it's Imperialist expansion there was no better time than the Iran invasion. You think America was ready to defend Taiwan when it was taking interceptors out of Korea to send them to Israel? Yet China decided to "wait" and instead reduce its purchases of oil to assist it's trade partners in East Asia.

    At a certain point this "waiting for the right moment" Imperialist China narrative needs to die. They have proven their intentions are based entirely on offering a less parasitic form of trade than the US offers. One that is entirely without the use of military conflict.

    I'm not sure how you can call that imperial strategy in a world where US Imperialism still exists. If the US was gone. Sure, it would be insane to engage in trade relations with states like Israel. But, you're criticism is in a vacuum and not in the context of the cold war being waged against China by the west.

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  • [–] 0 points 18 hours ago (1 child)

    Yes. Unironically yes. They believe China is a dictatorship that reveres Xi for no reason other than he's a 'brutal' dictator that 'took charge by force.'

    Westerners unironically have no concept of how Chinese democracy works, and cannot name a single part of the Chinese government. Most people don't even realize Xi is more educated than all US presidents and most US elected representatives, and has written more than a half dozen books explaining every bit of the current party philosophy, including all of China's failures and his own contemporary failures and how the party has improved.

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  • Most people don't even realize Xi is more educated than all US presidents and most US elected representatives, and has written more than a half dozen books explaining every bit of the current party philosophy, including all of China's failures and his own contemporary failures and how the party has improved.

    Sounds like Woodrow Wilson to me. Funny thing about him is that all his education and intellect did not make the liberal world order he envisioned any better, nor did it make the racism he promoted justified. It's not like the League of Nations did anything for world peace, and I doubt you want to defend the rigid nation-state framework and neoliberal fiscal policies of the UN.

    On top of that, I can't take the "philosophy" of politicians seriously; it coming from a head of state makes it propaganda to justify their own authority. Philosophy works best as a conversation, an open dialectic where one side of it doesn't have the absolute authority of a superpower backing them up. It just comes across more like cult shit from a technocratic state capitalist.

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  • [–] 12 points 21 hours ago

    And suck their dicks.

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  • [–] 11 points 12 hours ago

    The worst of the worst of the boomer generation raping the planet one more time

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  • [–] 10 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    Can they meet in a submarine in the mariana trench?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Iran or Ukraine could do the world a favor here

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  • [–] 18 points 1 day ago

    his handlers

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  • [–] 10 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    "Why does our 'democratic' president choose to spend so much time in meetings with fascist dictators?"

    👆 A thought that will never enter the minds of conservatives

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  • [–] 10 points 18 hours ago

    I guess this is where they engineer the next crisis that makes them all richer.

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  • [–] 4 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    There is no scenario where China is better off with Trump. The destabilizing of the Middle East is hurting everyone. Not to mention his ridiculous tarrifs. Russia wants him because the Iran war has forced some people to remove their sanctions on Russian oil and is helping to fund their war.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    Both countries want trump in power because he is making america weaker. Loss of softpower, increased debt, infighting in the country, health, fighting with allies until they are no longer allies and more unchecked corruption to ruin the rest of the country.

    And at what cost to them. Basically nothing. Putin gets NATO broken up, Xi gets to be the undisputed top dog and the they don't have to do anything but watch.

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  • [–] 3 points 14 hours ago

    It would be really funny if they give him a wedgie

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  • [–] 5 points 4 hours ago

    Puddingbrain needs his marching orders spelled out in crayon.

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  • [–] 7 points 21 hours ago

    Nothing good will come from corrupt war mongers meeting up. If the world wants to make meaningful change for long lasting peace, whoever can needs to assassinate all 3 of these scumbags when they're together. Just get it over with already and stop kicking the can down the road.

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  • [–] 2 points 23 hours ago

    Donnie must be creaming his pants, meeting his two biggest idols at once.

    Do we know the exact time & location? Too good a chance to miss.

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  • [–] 2 points 16 hours ago

    Trump likes getting double double-stuffed by actual dictators.

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  • [–] 1 point 21 hours ago

    Do you think Putin and Xi argue about who gets the diaper end in the Eiffel Tower?

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  • [–] 0 points 19 hours ago

    Murikkkans, lolololololololololololol!

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago

    They all believe they own their own respective hemispheres and can be dictators of their "own backyard." It is why there was so much US propoganda about "this is our hemisphere" and why trump cares so little about NATO. He wants to be a dictator just like the other two. He didn't care or think about how the US gave up so much soft power and influence that we had by being partners with the western world, he just wants to feel like he is in charge. Western hedgomony and cheap accessible world trade are being gutted, and regional conflicts are going to increase with global resource scarcity.

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