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Last week’s US midterm election furnished us with yet another example of the redemptive power of democracy. It’s a reminder that democracy’s greatest strength is not that it prevents political mistakes but that it gives citizens a way to challenge them and, sometimes, to change course.

Those who insist on applying false equivalence to the United States and China should consider that nothing like that is possible under the regime of President Xi Jinping.

Last month the Chinese Communist Party’s authoritarian model focused on punishing a French football star for daring to utter the truth about Mao Zedong’s dictatorship more than half a century after his death. Kylian Mbappe’s comment wasn’t a political statement, just a simple response to online references to his dictator-like dominance of games. Yet it received a full-throated CCP-orchestrated backlash.

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Xi Jinping’s expansion of party control and suppression of dissent since becoming Communist Party general secretary in November 2012 have made him China’s most authoritarian leader since Mao, which further explains the enraged response to Mbappe’s comment.

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This has been complemented by the CCP’s expanded control over public life. Under Xi, the party has rolled back previous civic and economic liberalisation, further restricting civil society, academia, independent activism, religious and ethnic groups, speech and media. It has used an increasingly extensive internet censorship and surveillance system and the party-controlled legal system to punish its critics.

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Xi’s tenure has also seen the mass repression in Xinjiang, where the UN human-rights office found large-scale arbitrary detention of Uyghurs, restrictions on religious and other rights, credible allegations of torture or ill-treatment and indications of coercive birth-control and labour practices.

Xi’s China has dismantled Hong Kong’s political opposition by imposing national-security laws that enabled prosecution of pro-democracy figures, disqualifying legislators and changing election rules to restrict who could serve.

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But it’s not only China’s domestic sphere where this increasingly authoritarian model threatens us. For what the party has perfected at home, it exports abroad. Xi’s China supports regimes resisting democratic ideals, helping spread surveillance technology, capacity and state-centred ideas about digital governance across the globe. And China’s securitisation of everything in pursuit of the party’s interests has infected our own systems, undermining open trade and globalisation and reintroducing geostrategic competition to our post-Cold War bliss. The unspoken truth of Xi’s national rejuvenation project is that it must come at other countries’ expense, whether that be territorially, economically or otherwise.

Most visibly egregious and revelatory is Xi’s no-limits partnership with Vladimir Putin, Russia’s kleptocratic strongman (or former strongman). China’s deep assistance to Russia’s imperialist and genocidal ambitions in Ukraine, and its prolonging of Europe’s largest conflict since 1945, is part of an anti-Western axis that seeks to weaken and reshape the global order more systematically than Trump’s America. Xi’s China is currently the only country with the intent and capability to supplant the post-1945 order, and it is laying the foundations for one that gives preference to its authoritarian interests.

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For all the angst about Trump’s America – and there has been plenty to be angsty about – democracy has shown that a government’s worst impulses can be curbed, checked and held accountable. There’s nothing within China that can check Xi’s trajectory. In that sense, if one must compare the two great powers, US democracy, for all its imperfection, offers a far healthier model to which the world should aspire.

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[–] 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fuck the CCP but it's a bit early to be celebrating the redemption of the US, no? They have taken the first step, that's worth celebrating, but let's not get ahead of ourselves yet.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 day ago

    I fully agree. There is no reason to celebrate, and we must be vigilant in the US and elsewhere as democracy and the rule of law is never a given, but this is not about getting ahead of ourselves.

    We all know the stories from China: in 2018, a young Chinese woman - known today as the 'ink girl' - splashed ink on a poster of Xi Jinping in Shanghai, sparking a tragic chain of events that have left at least two people dead and another disappeared, presumed dead; in 1995, the Chinese Communist Party abducted a six-year-old Tibetan boy because he was supposed to be the next Panchen Lama. Stories like that happen all the time in China, and we may not even know all of them.

    But I agree with the linked comment in that democracy enables citizens to take small steps to counter authoritarianism. The US midterms are a very small step and I fully agree there is no reason to celebrate. Yet a similar step isn't even remotely thinkable in China.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    Hey OP, just curious, how much are you getting paid for all the anti-China posting?

    I mean, that's gotta be a serious time investment, I hope you're at least getting something out of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 hours ago

    Can we all be honest here and admit both countries suck complete donkey d for their own reasons?

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    [–] 18 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    You forgot the part where China follows, stalks, and punishes dissidents who live outside of China. Secret police in New York. Secret police in London. Secret police in Toronto.

    And let's not forget the neo colonization of Mexico, Central America, and Africa.

    But to tankies, China can do no wrong.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    It’s known as the “bad emperor problem”.

    The advantage of democracy is not efficiency but rather hygiene: at the cost of being considerably less efficient at making and carrying out decisions than autocracy, it ensures (to some extent, at least) that one doesn’t get an all-powerful despot squandering the nation’s resources as everybody else looks on helplessly and holds their tongue. (As, for example, is the case in Russia at the moment.)

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago

    Pretty fucking dumb time for a victory lap. Dont we still have a pedophile president and a SoD actively celebrating obvious war crimes on TV? Not to mention we just sent that war criminal back to work because we couldnt even half ass an impeachment?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    The democrata have done nothing yet.

    Wait! They fumbled Hegseths impeachment and stressed that they dont want to "get even".

    But just because Blue Maga was elected in and of itself is enough to rejoice?

    This is shallow. Even for contemporary journalism.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

    A system where people have a say is always better than China's. This is quite clear. This does not mean we must not improve democracy let alone that it's perfect, but a dictatorship is much worse.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    How much control do WE really have in this "democracy"?

    Policies that would benefit 99% of the population are just not getting done.

    Especially in the US. Health Care ist basically non existent, people gatting shot all over the place because the government wont control guns, wars are just started, climate change is ignored etc.

    The population is massively manipulated into thinking their will was free, when in fact they are puppeteered by a handfull of billionaires.

    This "election" is just a Circus to decide which color the tent should be, but it will definetely and always be a Circus.

    This system is just as inflexible as Chinas.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    This system is just as inflexible as Chinas.

    This is apparently wrong. The media and web in the U.S. is full of news critical of Trump (you'll find many of them also here on Lemmy), while there is nothing critical of Xi Jinping in China. Each single piece that is even slightly critical of the Chinese Communist Party and its "leader" gets censored, and the people disappear.

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    We all know the stories from China such as from 2018, when a young Chinese woman - known today as the 'ink girl' - splashed ink on a poster of Xi Jinping in Shanghai, sparking a tragic chain of events that have left at least two people dead and another disappeared, presumed dead; in 1995, the Chinese Communist Party abducted a six-year-old Tibetan boy because he was supposed to be the next Panchen Lama. Stories like that happen all the time in China, and we may not even know all of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    This is apparently wrong. The media and web in the U.S. is full of news critical of Trump

    Yeah but it dies not really Matter of there is an orange man or a blue man in the White House, the differences between actual policies are marginal.

    The biggest differences between Obama and Trump we're the isolationist attitudes of Trump.

    But wars were fought, drone strikes we're ordered, wars were started. The only differences is skin color.

    With this said, what use is criticism If it amounts to nothing. Isnt criticism the vehicle for Change, so what of change never comes (at least when you look at the policies)?

    Is it really enough for you that wars are started by black man and not an orange man? I mean Obama Care was at least something but that did not really hold. Although even health Care for all is not really a record Breaking Policy but just what defines a not-shithole country.

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    We do not all know about Pimmelgate where a random German Senator was insulted and the perpetrator got swatted on his behalf.

    Or the illegal Border controls of the German democracy. Although that does not seem to be a democratic Problem, since this is government overreach against foreigners. And overreaches of this kind are the Modus Operandi of "Western democracies" Fuck you I got mine.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 14 hours ago (1 child)

    What you are doing is on deflection piece after the next. Nothing of this is related to the topic.

    But if you think that people must not have a say and must not be allowed to criticize their government and it's better to live under a dictatorship, then just take your family and relocate to China or Russia. They are looking for new citizens, especially the latter.

    As for my part, I end this discussion.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago

    If i "deflect" (or as i call it critique the 'democracy' you defend) than you build strawman after strawman

    Because of you we're honest in this discussion you would nötige that i explicitly oppose this:

    But if you think that people must not have a say and must not be allowed to criticize their government and it's better to live under a dictatorship, then just take your family and relocate to China or Russia. They are looking for new citizens, especially the latter.

    In fact i stress that what you describe at its core is also applicable to the Western Block.

    The point is that criticism of our government is pointless, fundamental Change Impossible, this we do not really have a say, and of course that's why i dont want to live in a dictatorship. In another comment i also already that i dont like China or Russia. But i am measuring western democracies in the same Standards as them and for my democracy Ideals they are all essentially equally far away for the stated reasons.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (11 children)

    democracy has shown that a government’s worst impulses can be curbed, checked and held accountable

    Sorry, did I miss when every living US President was just imprisoned for their war crimes?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago* (10 children)

    can be curbed

    Doesn't mean they always are, also USA is not a functioning democracy.
    Despite that, they at least criticize Pete Hegseth of war crimes now, and there's a good chance he will be impeached in January.

    In Russia you die if you criticize Putin for war crimes, but the bar is way way lower than that, you die if you even call the war against Ukraine a war. That's a punishable offense that will send you to prison, and people tend to die in prison in Russia.

    China has similar restrictions, and you can go to prison merely for comparing Xi to Winnie the Pooh. Despite the similarities are striking and funny.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    As I stated USA is not a functioning democracy, power is shared among two sides, and they both protect each other. So chances are nothing will happen.
    When Trump was president last, and Nancy Pelosi (Democrat) was leader of the Senate, she was against impeaching Trump for several clearly illegal violations because it would set a precedent! As in Democrats would risk the same when they are in power!

    I will be very surprised if Pete Hegseth will ever face any real consequences, apart from stepping down. The system is corrupt, and the Judicial system being part of the executive branch, is corrupting that branch too. But I don't see how that is possible to avoid in a system where power is shared among only 2 parties.

    The point was that they could at least bring the matter forward, to the attention of the public, which is not possible in Russia and China.

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  • and there's a good chance he will be impeached in January.

    Don't keep up with the news? You're expecting the Democrats to not go ooops and miss another vote?

    and people tend to die in prison in Russia

    Might want to check on the stats of mortality in US prisons. Or incarceration rates in general.

    and you can go to prison merely for comparing Xi to Winnie the Pooh

    Whereas in the US it's the far more fair thing of being not white.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Und was passiert wenn man in Demokratien wie den USA einfach so schwarz ist in der Nähe eines Polizisten?

    Oder was passiert in Demokratien wie deutsche wenn man irgendwelche Politiker als 1 Pimmel bezeichnet?

    China = Böse

    Wir = Gut

    😌

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Those are not problems with democracy, WTF have you been smoking?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (4 children)

    It is a problem that "democratc countries" have.

    If you have some imaginary "democratic Utopia" in your Head that no actual democratic country can be meassured again at than you are no better than the tankies that Claim the Sockets or something we're no true socialism.

    The US is repeatedly cited as the beacpn of democracy but their massive Problem with racism cannot be quenched by it and the "democratic structures" that ought to hold the police accountable fail. Miserably. Since forever.

    Or do you say that the accountability of the executive branch of the government is not a democratic thing??

    If so than China and Russia are just the same! Their executive branch is also not beholden to any rules or laws. Just Like US Police officers or ICE officers when they murder black people or Andy Grothe (A State Minister in Germany at the time) when he was insulted as 1 Wiener online and fucking swatted the perpetrator and had also no repercussion.

    If your democracy doesnt include that the executive branch of government has to play by the rules, but only include that we can choose the mascot of the government, then you are not a democrat.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Exactly. And it's why people in the US wanting to cry about authoritarianism or war crimes in Russia is particularly annoying.

    You're literally bombing multiple countries, illegally, right now.

    Your prisons are full. Of minorities, who are arrested and murdered without justice in numbers far outside of any possible chance.

    Clean up your own fucking house before you start looking elsewhere.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    Yes!

    I dont even like China or Russia, but the US is just as bad effectively and this Propaganda article is so amateurish that it alone should make the Double Standards obvious.

    The US billionaires did quite the Job when they convinced their consumers that changing the color of the government is actual democracy...

    However this is the fate many Western "democracies" seem to suffer, since there is no real political and economic change. Only how many groups of consumers there are and which are how important in Relation to each other, ranging from courting to Elimination of a consumer group.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    yeah, I'm with you. It's not loving China or Russia. It's holding the same standards to the US as them - and the fact that makes America look awful is not propaganda, it's removing propaganda from the equation.

    But that gets me get called a tankie - which is especially funny considering I prefer Tito over any of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    thats not a correction. its a possible maybe correction and all the other democracies seemed to get dragged down so we will need multiple corrections. korea was rather the shining light in recent years.

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