How the gas industry turned a half-truth into one of the most successful PR campaigns in fossil fuel history.

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[–] 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

People with gas stoves and no actual exhaust system really hate it when I tell them they are poisoning themselves and their family.

"Atmos told me it cooks my food more better though."

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    That's pretty alarmist. People have been using gas stoves, heaters, dryers for over 100 years.

    Some agenda is pushed on the interweb, likely from asian appliance manufacturers.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

    Thus, the article's prophecy has been fulfilled. The author will diminish and go into the West.

    https://www.harvardhealth.org/blog/have-a-gas-stove-how-to-reduce-pollution-that-may-harm-health-202209072811

    Children living in households that use gas stoves for cooking are 42% more likely to have asthma, according to an analysis of observational research. While observational studies can't prove that cooking with gas is the direct cause of asthma, data also show that the higher the nitrogen dioxide level, the more severe the asthma symptoms in children and adults.

    Cooking and baking done with gas appliances can give off high concentrations of nitrogen dioxide. A recent study published by researchers at Stanford calculated that emission of nitrogen dioxide from certain gas burners or ovens rose above the standard set for outdoors by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) within a few minutes. Currently, the EPA has set no standard for safe levels indoors.

    Organizations like the Massachusetts Medical Society and the American Medical Association are trying to raise clinician and public awareness about these risks. Yet much of this information still comes as a surprise to many.

    Maybe they got their AMAs mixed up and its actually the Asian Manufacturers of Appliances trying to raise public awareness.......

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago

    Damn. 'Smart' is under attack.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

    It is obviously cleaner than coal. That's it. No idea what you're talking about.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 hours ago (3 children)

    in terms of GHG impact, that's not true

    CH4 extraction, transportation and storage suffers from lots of fugitive emissions, CH4 has a short term CO2e of about 22x

    Holistically, the entire process is worse than coal. The only thing that's "cleaner then coal" is the amount of CO2 produced at the burning stage, proponents have taken that misguided fact and used it to help enable the destruction of the biosphere

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ydTfg53D8I

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    [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    TIL people think natural gas is clean energy.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    "It's better than nothing" was true back when the alternative was to do nothing. Now there is no benefit to natural gas. It has no place in new buildings, and older buildings should be trying to remove it as quickly as possible.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I remember taking an HVAC course after highschool. It felt like a two year natural gas and refrigerant propaganda course. It was confusing.

    I left that career behind pretty quickly after completing that course. The last bit of motivation to leave was seeing and hearing how other HVAC technicians were ruining their knees and backs.

    Damage the planet and my body for money? I don't think it's worth it...

    I wish I can say I made smarter choices after that but instead I learned some more tough life lessons the hard way.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    So you thought HVAC wouldn't use natural gas or refrigerants. Let's leave gas out of it how do youbexpext.to do anything without refrigerants?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    If you can’t look beyond the marketing you’re not smart. They used to teach this stuff in school… (e.g. history - questioning sources)

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